diesel10 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Hi All After working in an industry that has had so much change over the past decade, I can't believe that practitioners still find it a problem to reflect and move on. Do other Managers still find it a problem. I'm not talking about any major changes, just perhaps changing apple to oranges, a declutter and tidy, a flexible approach to planning, introducing Tapestry! Over the years I have tried the hard line, softly softly but nothing works. I have written essays on it and even the lecturers comments were 'some people can't accept change' Any ideas would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 My staff team is so small - this makes it easy to start any discussions about 'changes' with phrases like "what would you think about......" or "xxxxxx is not really working, have you got any ideas on how we could change this" We are a 'mature' team too and we have a lot of respect for each other which really helps 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 My staff team is so small - this makes it easy to start any discussions about 'changes' with phrases like "what would you think about......" or "xxxxxx is not really working, have you got any ideas on how we could change this" We are a 'mature' team too and we have a lot of respect for each other which really helps So you've embraced that change to tapestry then! :lol: :lol: :lol: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Any ideas would be appreciated. Sorry I got distracted by sunnydays post. Ideas.... not sure I have any really. I usually find I need to be creative - so find ways for the staff to think it was their idea to change things in the first place! I'm lucky though like sunnyday we have all mature staff, but I still find sometimes things will slip back into old ways if I'm not careful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 So you've embraced that change to tapestry then! :lol: :lol: :lol: Lousy loo your response made me choke on my hot chocolate! Can’t wait to hear Sunnyday’s response to that one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panders Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Hi Allthe After working in an industry that has had so much change over the past decade, I can't believe that practitioners still find it a problem to reflect and move on. Do other Managers still find it a problem. I'm not talking about any major changes, just perhaps changing apple to oranges, a declutter and tidy, a flexible approach to planning, introducing Tapestry! Over the years I have tried the hard line, softly softly but nothing works. I have written essays on it and even the lecturers comments were 'some people can't accept change' Any ideas would be appreciated. Hmm I've called for a couple of changes this term and that's put the willies up one member of staff - she lacks self confidence really and the changes worry her, they will ultimately change her routine and the way she manages next steps and learning stories and she has repeated similar questions over the last 2/3 weeks to make sure that she feels she fully understands what to do. I think in our minds as managers we perhaps have our own ways, but getting that message across sometimes is hard for others to see the vision we have. My usual phrase is "it's not rocket science" but to some maybe it is, nobody really embraces change and we find it unsettling, just like when the supermarket changes the aisles around grrrrrrrrrr :blink: :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 So you've embraced that change to tapestry then! :lol: :lol: :lol: Cheeky! Was a non-starter no internet :lol: :lol: :lol: Apologies diesel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKeyteach Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Ofcourse the easy answer by making your team think it was their idea in first place is how to win it. However the art of how to do that..... Still working on it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 Cheeky! Was a non-starter no internet :lol: :lol: :lol: Apologies diesel Same here. I do however has to nice new amazon fires still in their boxes :wacko: :lol: :lol: :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondie Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 there will always be those saying "but we've always done it like that" "it;s always worked so why change it?"etc., - but I try to discuss changes at staff meetings - talk about how we do it now and ask for ideas on how it could be improved. My final line for anyone still moaning is "It's a new Ofsted ruling" (can always blame Ofsted lol) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 "It's a new Ofsted ruling" (can always blame Ofsted lol) Yes I have been know to say that occasionally, usually works as no-one else actually keeps up to date with official changes ::1a I have been known to say - Yes, well years ago it seemed good practice to send children up chimney's, but we've stopped doing that now. :1b I have to say that one is usually met with silence as they know I serious about the changes needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Or - I have been on eyfs forum and everyone is saying or doing ..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeytg Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 lsp - that's the one I use and it drives them mad - they dread me having a 'quiet' evening as it usually results in lots of suggestions - I also have staff who struggle with change and am reassured by the fact that I am not alone. Our profession constantly changes, not just the legal requirements but the day to day stuff - what works one day inevitably doesn't work the next which is why I also struggle to understand why practitioners struggle with any change. I am afraid to say there are times when it is tough love and they do as they are told. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diesel10 Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thanks for your replies. You are right making them think they thought of it is the answer but sometimes it is just so wearing. I thought our LEA advisor coming in would work but no they don't agree with any of her suggestions. I end up going round in circles. As we are parent community run tough love doesn't work as a parent group would never discipline staff and they know that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted October 7, 2017 Share Posted October 7, 2017 I pick my arguments lead by example try to inspire question them and expect to be questioned encourage discussion often go with a lets try it for the next xxxxweeks and then we'll review as a team spend as much as I can on training /visits etc sometimes set competitions!! with prizes!!! do join obs (although I don't do enough of these that are recorded...but I will tell them if I like or don't like something! ...I also have a strong set of trustees (who are mainly parents ) who would definitely tell me if there was something they didn't like BUT at the end of the day YOU are the boss and sometimes they just have to suck it up and do what you say 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C1403 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Some very good points here that I'll pass onto our Manager, Thanks. We have just had a new deputy start who has already acknowledged staff/team do not take change very well and thus far are not very welcoming. As chair she has vented to me but I have left it for her and the manager to work on, they are now the duo and need to support each ogher.. Some staff are so set in their ways, do not like change or new faces! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
narnia Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Just one small thought............................don't forget that some people aren't being stubborn, or resistant......................for some, change IS very difficult.Routine and a regular ways of doing things are really important. Think of it this way, a friend of mine has just been diagnosed as having Asperger's syndrome. It suddenly explains a lot of things ( he's in his 50's)............and his lifelong need for routine and things to be done in a certain way. He had no idea that he was on the Autistic spectrum, it arose because of a problem at work. So, people may not realise. It's just a thought, but as we would consider our children..........let's not forget our adults too. Discussion and working together is always the way forward 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonib123 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 Hi ALL, I dont know most of my team have worked with each for years with me...Change is normal for us its cosistency that we lack I think. And some times communicating. throw in what we call the young blood lol and its a crazy mix. This nursery manger bit is doing me in a little.... after I get these Ofsted out the way....I may just pass the baton! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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