Rafa Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 Just had email from our LEA pointing us to the draft bill. Maybe you've all seen it ? Ive been away- hey hey! Anyway its on www.gov.uk if you haven't seen it yet! Quote
sunnyday Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 No I haven't seen it.......my LA seem to be very 'quiet' this summer - haven't received anything from them - not that I'm complaining! Do I need to take a look - I have no intention of providing 30 hours at my setting - free or otherwise 4 Quote
Stargrower Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 We'll have no choice sadly as we're open 50 hours a week. Just typing that makes me feel tired. Quote
Foreveryoung Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 My LA had a strategy plan we all had to fill in before end of July to say what our capacity is, our working capacity and if we don't already can we increase our hours to 30 p/w if not why not. Oooffff I got my frustration in on this nearly a full letter wrote in response ? x 4 Quote
klc106 Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 I received an email yesterday which briefly mentioned the 30 hours. It had the eligibility information which indicates that it's for parents that are working. Does anyone know if thus is correct or am I understanding it wrong?? Quote
Rafa Posted August 5, 2015 Author Posted August 5, 2015 I received an email yesterday which briefly mentioned the 30 hours. It had the eligibility information which indicates that it's for parents that are working. Does anyone know if thus is correct or am I understanding it wrong?? It looks very much like it is what we thought: Working parent(s) - 8 hrs minimum pw - and on minimum wage!= 30 hrs free We worked out that we had 12 working Mums last term - none of them, I would guess, on just minimum wage (only us ha ha) so couldnt see there being a place for it at our setting - though like Sunnyday, had no plans to increase hours - whatever! Still feel its NOT what most voters imagined - The Career Mums dont look like they get anything more than the 15 free hours - and they're not free are they - they cost us a fair few bob........ 4 Quote
Wildflowers Posted August 5, 2015 Posted August 5, 2015 [...] Working parent(s) - 8 hrs minimum pw - and on minimum wage!= 30 hrs free [...] Is this how it is going to be, for sure? I thought it would be 30 hours for free for every child. Quote
Stargrower Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 No there's always been the working parent stipulation I think. I heard they had to be working a minimum of 8 hours but didn't know about the minimum wage bit. So if a parent is working 8 hours a week on the minimum wage, they'll be entitled to 30 hours free? Quote
eyfs1966 Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I presume it actually means paid at or above minimum wage, but have to say that's not how it is worded! 1 Quote
narnia Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 and it's only 30 hours where both parents are working, isn't it?? Quote
Rafa Posted August 6, 2015 Author Posted August 6, 2015 I presume it actually means paid at or above minimum wage, but have to say that's not how it is worded! Yes, thats what I would have thought, but there is definately not an 'or above' and I wonder if this will be away of 'controlling' it. When this policy was first announced - as a vote catcher - it cetainly sounded as though it was very EVERY working parent. Obviously the cost and the response from the PVI sector has meant a re think before they could go ahead it with it.... and maybe this is it??? Quote
Mouseketeer Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 (edited) I think this 'minimum wage' stipulation will be open to abuse by employees and employers...'you pay me/I'll pay you a quid or so less and hour so the £4'ish an hour extra child care hours can be claimed.....or maybe I'm just getting more cynical ;-p And what will happen when it's 'living wage' Edited August 6, 2015 by Mouseketeer 1 Quote
Wildflowers Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 I forgot that I know that only children of working parents get the 30 hours... I presume it actually means paid at or above minimum wage, but have to say that's not how it is worded! It can't mean that, because everyone is paid at or above minimum wage. This is what I found in the draft of the Childcare Bill of July: The conditions for eligibility will include: • working parents with children aged three and four; • parents working part-time or full-time – each parent must be working the equivalent of 8 hours per week at the national minimum wage; • parents who are employed or who are self-employed; and lone parents who are working the equivalent of 8 hours per week at the national minimum wage to support their families. Quote
sunnyday Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Added to all of that - I think somewhere along the line I picked up that 'we' would be responsible for checking that parents qualify - or was that just a (very bad) dream........ It was just a 'vote catcher' in my humble Quote
lsp Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 With all the 'rules' probably find out that only a tiny percentage will actually be entitled to anything!!! Sunnyday - I think there was something about providers being legally responsible for checking entitlement. Hey - we could fill up the prisons - another headache for government!! 2 Quote
Littlesparklesnursery Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Just had email from our LEA pointing us to the draft bill. Maybe you've all seen it ? Ive been away- hey hey! Anyway its on www.gov.uk if you haven't seen it yet! Quote
Littlesparklesnursery Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Just had email from our LEA pointing us to the draft bill. Maybe you've all seen it ? Ive been away- hey hey! Anyway its on www.gov.uk if you haven't seen it yet! Quote
Littlesparklesnursery Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Can someone add link to draft legislation plz. Can't seem to find it Quote
Rafa Posted August 6, 2015 Author Posted August 6, 2015 Noooo I can't do that!! But if you Google Childcare Bill Policy Statement - its there : ) Quote
Wildflowers Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Here it is: Childcare Bill - policy statement.pdf I still don't understand "at the national minimum wage" - if the 30 hours only is for children with two parents earning the minimum wage. 1 Quote
Rafa Posted August 6, 2015 Author Posted August 6, 2015 Added to all of that - I think somewhere along the line I picked up that 'we' would be responsible for checking that parents qualify - or was that just a (very bad) dream........ It was just a 'vote catcher' in my humble Definately a Vote Catcher! And no doubt its going to be as random as trying to claim the bloomin EYPP! 2 Quote
lsp Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 My LA had a strategy plan we all had to fill in before end of July to say what our capacity is, our working capacity and if we don't already can we increase our hours to 30 p/w if not why not. Oooffff I got my frustration in on this nearly a full letter wrote in response x What county are you Foreveryoung - maybe its a pilot area for Sept 16 Quote
Foreveryoung Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Oh crap!!!! Never thought of that ? we have always been pilots for as long as I can remember and thought we might be this time but was just a passing thought, but it looks even more likely doesn't it. We had to fill out a form explaining our numbers / availability / ways to increase availability and so on ready for 30 hours. I'm just going to hope and pray that there just on ball for 2017 ! And it's no other reason lol I'm South Yorkshire xx 4 Quote
lsp Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 We haven't had a letter or email, other than those we would normally get. Obviously South Yorkshire are very special lolx. Enjoy! On another note - Morton Michel the insurance people have got a questionnaire/survey around offering 30 hours on their website - did get an email from them. Quote
sunnyday Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 On another note - Morton Michel the insurance people have got a questionnaire/survey around offering 30 hours on their website - did get an email from them. Oh yes so did I - didn't do anything about it though - s'pose i should really :blink: Quote
sunnyday Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Oh crap!!!! Never thought of that we have always been pilots for as long as I can remember and thought we might be this time but was just a passing thought, but it looks even more likely doesn't it. We had to fill out a form explaining our numbers / availability / ways to increase availability and so on ready for 30 hours. I'm just going to hope and pray that there just on ball for 2017 ! And it's no other reason lol I'm South Yorkshire xx Did you feel that you were 'expected' to find a way to increase to hours? Quote
Rafa Posted August 6, 2015 Author Posted August 6, 2015 We haven't had a letter or email, other than those we would normally get. Obviously South Yorkshire are very special lolx. Enjoy! On another note - Morton Michel the insurance people have got a questionnaire/survey around offering 30 hours on their website - did get an email from them. Deleted - whoops! Quote
sunnyday Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Deleted - whoops! Well that makes me feel much better! 2 Quote
lsp Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Rafa and Sunnyday it doesnt take very long - not many questions but it is another excuse to avoid the LIST!!!! 1 Quote
sunnyday Posted August 6, 2015 Posted August 6, 2015 Rafa and Sunnyday it doesnt take very long - not many questions but it is another excuse to avoid the LIST!!!! Good plan! 1 Quote
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