Panders Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 30 hours free childcare for 3 and 4 year olds a week wow - cant wait for the details to follow Mr. Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondie Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 less money per hour i expect too - so will this mean that sessional pre-schools will lose out as lots of parents will want all day if they can have 30 hours per week ? sure it is the government directive to get rid of small, community run pre-schools and replace them with lots of the chain nurseries 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Hmm, and those preschools who ARE open 30 hours a week will struggle to find spaces for everyone! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panders Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 At just how much per hour? 30 hours - not much room to charge more per hour outside of funded hours could the larger chains sustain? Perhaps it is more school based nurseries they are thinking of increasing 5 x 6 hours per day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrower Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Our local (and very poor) primary school has offered 30 hours a week this term and we've had children leaving in their droves. Who can blame parents if they're offered a choice of 30 hours or 15 hours a week. The school has had a Requires Improvement outcome for three inspections in a row, But money talks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the issue with this is that the government are already struggling to find places for 2 and 3 year olds and rely on PVI's to supply places but there will be half as many spaces if we are offering 30 hours ...as in effect one child will take up two places. They need us to provide these as the large private companies do not have enough funds currently to build more nurseries. What is the PSLA saying about this...i thought they still believed in parents as the prime educators???? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 the issue with this is that the government are already struggling to find places for 2 and 3 year olds and rely on PVI's to supply places but there will be half as many spaces if we are offering 30 hours ...as in effect one child will take up two places. They need us to provide these as the large private companies do not have enough funds currently to build more nurseries. What is the PSLA saying about this...i thought they still believed in parents as the prime educators???? Well I guess they want the schools to take the 3-4 for 30 hours - and we get the 2 year olds for 15 ? Is that the long-term thinking.... probably explains why they changed our number restrictions the other year then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 30 hours free childcare for 3 and 4 year olds a week wow - cant wait for the details to follow Mr. Cameron Just makes me feel tired........yawn........ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panders Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 Well I guess they want the schools to take the 3-4 for 30 hours - and we get the 2 year olds for 15 ? Is that the long-term thinking.... probably explains why they changed our number restrictions the other year then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 (edited) Interesting that EY settings can't take funded 2 yr olds if not good or outstanding yet a 'requires improvement' school can take funded 3/4 yr olds' ...talk about one rule Wonder where they think they are putting them now they've forced many of their children' centres to close (that were set up at a huge expense in the first place) and they've made us cut the spaces we did have for 3/4 yr olds by forcing 2 yr olds on us. Edited April 14, 2015 by Mouseketeer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Cameron suggesting the money is around £5000 which equates to around £3.20 per hour for a full time 52 week place.....i'm assuming this is purely based on 6 hours for 52 weeks a year otherwise it does not fullfill his plans to get parents back to work to pay for the pensions the government is unable to pay for! Bang goes choice for parents then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vonnie Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 It’s not just the community pre-school that would suffer, I work for a day nursery we offer the 15 hours a week to parent making a loss per hour of EYE funded hours, but then by charging more for wrap around care and session charges for the 2 year olds (none funded Children) and babies we just about break even, So by adding more hours to our 3 and 4 years funding you are in affect pushing up the price for all non-funded children, Somebody will have to pay because the staff need paying. On Staffing the new figures form the college’s show over a 50% drop last September in students on the level 3 childcare course. So where is Mr Camron planning on finding the staff for these children. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 We are in rented hall so can't offer more than15 hrs. Hope they are not going to insist that we have to??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaMum Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Another ill thought idea! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundia Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 Interesting that EY settings can't take funded 2 yr olds if not good or outstanding yet a 'requires improvement' school can take funded 3/4 yr olds' ...talk about one rule A setting can take 3-4 year olds if requires improvement too, its just two year olds they cant take. Until the rules change in September anyway, schools with 2 year provision that get RI also cant take two year olds either. The issue comes really when two year provision in schools no longer requires separate registration and inspection, and this was raised at one of the recent learn explore debates...'What happens in school where the EYFS gets a separate judgement of RI?' That didn't have the answer to that one, because it hasn't happened yet, (because the two year olds are still being inspected). so it will be interesting to see how they do decide to respond to that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 none of our local schools take two year olds as they dont have room for them. Cameron's plan also only covers child care for children under school age most parents i know are now not so worried about the cost of their 2,3 and 4 year olds but what happens in the holidays for their other children. Although subsidised our holiday clubs are still expensive and often don't offer the hours needed. Is cameron going to start opening schools for 52 weeks a year as well? of course labour also have a 25 hour plan for pre-schools.....so one way or another they're going to get us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 why can't they just give the correct money for the hours we do first :angry: and then IF any money left expand to some more 2 yr olds 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 That would make a lot of sense .....VOTE Thumperrabbit ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKeyteach Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 I'd vote for Thumper too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted April 15, 2015 Share Posted April 15, 2015 That would make a lot of sense .....VOTE Thumperrabbit ! my other if I ruled the country .... everyone has a day off when it's their birthday ... I've always thought it :1b 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrawberyTwirl Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I can't believe that no party is actually thinking about the needs of the child... rather than the short term economic benefits to the country.... It is making my blood boil! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKeyteach Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 Well that's sold it thumper! Vote Thumper! Vote Thumper! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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