Pupil Premium funding for 3-4 yr olds - consultation but important rea

[catma]

Woops - title too long, important READING!!

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/early-years-pupil-premium-and-funding-for-2-year-olds

Less consultation, more policy document so i would give it a good read. It will be part of future Ofsted inspections and demonstrating how effective you are using the funding to improve outcomes will be crucial for leadership.

Cx

Edited July 30, 2014 by catma

[Froglet]

Catma, thank you. I knew this was out but hadn't got around to reading it yet.

[Cait]

Thank you. What an interesting document, thought provoking.

[Fredbear]

Thank you Catma.

[Guest]

thanks Catma

[laura]

Wow the hourly rate equates to 53p per child per funded hour... goodness me what shall we do with all that money....

[Cait]

Wow the hourly rate equates to 53p per child per funded hour... goodness me what shall we do with all that money....

I'm hoping that means an additional 53p on top of what they are already giving, which varies so much from county to county that it probably only just brings us up in line with a neighbouring county, but for just the odd child! Really, they need to set the bar on a standard payment for everybody as a basic. We already get additional payment for children who are in deprived areas, who are the same ones who will attract this pupil premium. If the additional payment hasn't raised the bar across the board, how is 53p an hour going to make a difference? Even with our deprived area funding, it doesn't cover an additional person's wage, or even close, so what can it do, other than attach a very early label to a child?

[MegaMum]

For that additional 53p I hope you all read that it is expected settings will use it to employ a teacher!! When I last looked teachers don't work for a pittance like we do.... but more worrying is that they are trying to implement this.

[laura]

the 53p won't bring up what we receive to our hourly rate, from September we lose 68p per hour and we only charge 4.20 an hour

How are we going to be able to show that the money has made a difference.... ermm well we shall just continue with our excellence practice and target those children which we already do....

[catma]

Put it all in the consultation response!!

The children will be those eligible using the same process as for free school meals - the funding will be on top of what they get for their entitlement. Like schools you would have to demonstrate through tracking and outcomes that you are closing gaps in under achievement and it will impact on your overall L+M judgement I expect.

Cx

[Guest]

The school pupil premium also covers 'forces families' and LAC. I assume that the pre-school pupil premium will do the same?

[mundia]

Hi Devonmaid, the consultation proposes to include looked after children but not children from armed forces families.

Just flagging this up again as the consultation closes on 22nd August. I know we all have better things to think about, but if you have an opinion, have a voice. Too many of these consultations move quickly into requirement because not enough people respond.

Some things you might want to consider

• Not all of your 2 year funded children will continue to be eligible
• How do you encourage parents to share information regarding income etc with you in order for you to claim EYPP?
• What does any additional workload look like for you in terms of claiming, receiving and managing?
• What will the expectation be for settings to ensure that they are receiving EYPP for all eligible families?
• How will your approach to evidencing what you are doing to spend your EYPP effectively differ if you are a asetting receiving for just one child (ie the £300) or a setting receiving for, say, 20 children (ie around £6000)

Please do take the time to read and respond.

[Guest]

Thanks for that Mundia!

[Guest]

Pupil premium as we have said all along will never be enough to employ a teacher, so what do they want us to prove? Our children already make progress very well without employing a teacher(sorry teachers)

We need extra funding to keep us sustainable. And continue to provide the very best training and support for our staff.

 

Besides none of my children would be Eligible for the premium

[Jacobite]

What about children that don't access the full yearly entitlement? Some of our children may only do 12 hours a week as one day they stay with grandparents as mum/dad working and grandparents can't get them to pre-school or just simply have another activity on a particular day - why should they miss out? If it can be apportioned where two settings are involved, then surely it can just be paid for hours attended?

[Cait]

We do only claim for actual hours attended. We have one child who only comes for five hours a week, and so that's all the entitlement we claim for. The rest is 'lost' as parent doesn't take child anywhere else

[Guest]

A good few of my children don't use there full entitlement. Makes you wonder what the gov. Do with what's not used!

[mundia]

Hi Jacobite

The consultation words in places as if a provider will only get the money if a child takes the full hours, but it does later on talk of making it an hourly rate in order to calculate the entitlement for any particular child. But it is certainly a point I want to ask for clarification on in my consultation response.

[manor]

Hi all

Following on from this subject now the consultation has been signed,sealed and being delivered. Has anyone taken on, or thinking of taking on the Pupil Premium and if so how is it working out for you? Is it more bother than it's worth, in that you have, as always have to be accountable for the extra money you are being given and the money has to be spent on the child/children concerned and not go in the pot? Then you have more pressure, as you have to show ofsted how/what the money is being spent on for the child?

Cheers M

[MegaMum]

I did the training and the pupil premium is not optional! As of April 1st you have to deliver it even for children leaving to go to school. Children do not have to be claiming the full 15 hours. There is a lot of paperwork for an extra 53p an hour and of course leadership and management will be judged by Ofsted on how well the money has been spent to support the child and lets not forget the paper trail to prove they are making improvements based on your choice of support.

 

I loved the ideas they gave us on how the money could be spent (tongue in cheek) ......... Arrange an outing to the farm for the whole family, if child never been, or then there was the suggestion of swimming lessons or ballet lessons. What happens when the child leaves the setting and parents can't afford to carry on with the lessons?

[SueJ]

We do not yet have any systems in place in our LA our briefing is at the beginning of next term - the one thing I do know however is that pupil premium will be paid with our balance of payments e.g., two thirds of the way through the term so quite how I'm meant to plan to spend it I don't know especially for a child who leaves at the end of the summer term!

[Mouseketeer]

If we buy specific resources for entitled children should we then let them keep it when they leave, send it home or forward to their next setting ? maybe we could use it to pay someone to complete the extra paperwork,claim it, figure out how to spend it and evaluate if the extra 53p an hour is having an impact

[Guest]

We have been told that we could use it on staff training. However when you have only one child entitled to it and the parents don't want to complete the paperwork not sure what else we can do. My lea still hasn't decided how we are to give them the info from parents yet. I have sent out the letters and forms and had two returned ( who I believe won't be entitled to it anyway)

[Rafa]

Ahhh our LEA is whaaaaay-hey ahead!! we have an online eligibility checker! Type in the parents details and a reference appears if they are entitled....its picked up automatically at funding point so thats it....sit tight until June and the payment is made! Simples!

 

Have'nt tried it yet cos I'm on Easter hols and the completed forms are at the setting, so have that to do pronto!

 

Then.....how to spend my 53p an hour x possibly 2?????

 

Oh and apparently this check is good for 12months........so saving the schools the paperchase....!

Edited April 9, 2015 by Rafa

[Mouseketeer]

I've tried this today (maybe we are same county) I hadn't realised i was going to have to put in ALL the details, i was thinking we'd just get our own log in and put in the parents NI numbers and wham, but that didnt happen I tried one and it said it couldn't confirm (or something like that) at this time with a number of reasons that might be...so a great start :wacko:

[finleysmaid]

 

I loved the ideas they gave us on how the money could be spent (tongue in cheek) ......... Arrange an outing to the farm for the whole family, if child never been, or then there was the suggestion of swimming lessons or ballet lessons. What happens when the child leaves the setting and parents can't afford to carry on with the lessons?

i have one little one for who i will claim ....and i would love to spend it on some ballet lessons (wont get many for £100) but then as i am not supplying how do i know what impact this is having?

[Rafa]

I've tried this today (maybe we are same county) I hadn't realised i was going to have to put in ALL the details, i was thinking we'd just get our own log in and put in the parents NI numbers and wham, but that didnt happen I tried one and it said it couldn't confirm (or something like that) at this time with a number of reasons that might be...so a great start :wacko:

Ah well Mouseketeer, it would probably be unwise of me to think it would be....SIMPLE! As we all know, we have to work Very Hard ...........for ALL we receive!!

[Mouseketeer]

could it be used to cover extra hours ? if that's what would benefit the child.

i have managed to confirm a few and get a ref number to include on claim form, but a few came back as couldn't confirm at this time so now have the hassle of confirming parents really think they're entitled and trying a different route if they do, I'm sure one would be as until this term they have been a funded 2 yr old.

[thumperrabbit]

I'm sure one would be as until this term they have been a funded 2 yr old.

 

We won't have any I'm pretty sure but I do have 1 funded 2 year old - does it seem to follow that if they get 2yr funding they will be eligible?

[Mouseketeer]

Well i think the criteria for benefits are the same, and i know this child's circumstances haven't changed since becoming a 3 yr old, it could just be the NI number wrong or their title, on the checker you have to put in whether they are mrs, miss, ms ....yet the form we have to give the parents doesn't ask them that and that's not always as clear cut as you might think lol