FSFRebecca Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 You don't have to use all of it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynned55 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 No they can use whatever they want- it can be split between providers as well. As many as they want but not more than two per day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carolclarke Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Does anyone know if we can just continue to offer 15 hours and not offer any 30 hour places Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeytg Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 From the threads I have read it would appear you can opt to limit your 30 hr places and also decide not to offer it at all - put me in a real quandary as I had not realised you could limit places - but if you do how to you decide who gets the places available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Does anyone know if we can just continue to offer 15 hours and not offer any 30 hour places That's what I'm doing :1b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rea Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 We're having a meeting on monday to discuss whether we will be able to stay open much longer, past July anyway! Being able to offer more funded hours might help us! And I love that we can limit the asmount of places we offer. Thanks, I'm seeing glimmers of hope, albeit through a black fog! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 We already have a number of children that attend 3 full days so thinking we might stick at that until we know what the actual need might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJA Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 At present you can choose whether or not to offer the 30 hours, whether you will limit the number of places available and whether to limit the number of hours offered. We're full daycare - 8-6pm, 51 weeks. So firstly it's not 30hrs its 22.25. I only offer full days, mornings or afternoons. From September I will be allowing parents to claim the 22.25 hours with us but I am limiting the number of hours they can have to 7.5 on a full day, 3.5 on a morning, 2.5 on an afternoon. That way I can charge my nursery hourly rate for the rest of the session. The funded hours are a 'basic entitlement' only which explains the difference in hourly rate to parents. This limit to the number of hours claimable means that some parents will not be able to spend all their hours with me, but they can use them at another setting. It is up to the local authority to make sure that there are sufficient places for children, not up to me to provide them - If parents want a 'free' government place then they will be able to access this at a playgroup of term-time provision. If they want it with me then I will offer it between 1pm and 4pm. I know this all sound quite harsh, but I am a business and most people accessing my nursery are parents who are with me for well over 22.25hrs per week, so any money off their childcare by the government is a bonus rather than them getting 'free childcare' paid for by me! As long as I can offer some place 'free' this is ok, the rest is my business! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyup Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Does it say anywhere that the whole 30 hours has to be used? Could the parent ask for 20 hours funded or 23, 26? The 15 hours isnt mandatory so I just wondered. I thought it was up to 30 hours so part there of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSFRebecca Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Nursery World are today reporting that "Tens of thousands of providers don't plan to offer 30 hour childcare". You can read the report here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Thanks Rebecca :1b Still no news from Kent re funding levels :angry: I would dearly love to know how many Kent based providers have 'signed up' to deliver 30 hours - how can we/they when we have no information........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I have my trustees meeting tonight (if i dont get blown away!) i have asked my lea several questions they have stated that 'there appears to be a generally positive opinion on offering 30 hours!!' our option of session/lunch/session cannot be confirmed as they don't have that information from the government yet and they suggest we don't limit our number of 30 hour funded places (well they wouldn't would they!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 'tis all in my humble opinion a complete and utter c**k up - I honestly think this is the worst thought out scheme ever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 'tis all in my humble opinion a complete and utter c**k up - I honestly think this is the worst thought out scheme ever agreed! i explained it to our photographer on wednesday...she couldn't quite belive her ears! We have decided to offer a small amount of spaces ...and will keep this flexible so if we need to change we will but as i have to have 83% occupancy to make any money at the moment we need to be really careful that we are working out our figures accurately 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panders Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I think they're telling porkies - they can tell us that there is a good response to take up, how do we really know that, then if we believe it, we feel we should have to do it too to keep our heads above water. I'm certainly not for drowning, but I'm not accepting all that the sneaky pete's are saying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I remember trying to explain our current system to my sister, sure she thought that I was making it all up 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubblejack Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 It's up to 30 hours. I can provide 26 I could increase to 30 but only one of my parents actually wants 26 hours. At the moment I provide 38 weeks but we always close a week before the schools do so I open for 39 weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeytg Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I am really worried I am missing something major - and in fear of sounding stupid hope you can help - we currently receive £3.68 /hr and I charge £4 for additional hours. Our new funding is set to be around £4/hr - poss £4.10 - I can only see that I am in fact going to be better off as I will be getting 32p/hr extra for all the funded children. I am also putting up my additional hours to £4.50/hr. What am I missing? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I am really worried I am missing something major - and in fear of sounding stupid hope you can help - we currently receive £3.68 /hr and I charge £4 for additional hours. Our new funding is set to be around £4/hr - poss £4.10 - I can only see that I am in fact going to be better off as I will be getting 32p/hr extra for all the funded children. I am also putting up my additional hours to £4.50/hr. What am I missing? Forget what you charge or may charge...what do you NEED to charge ?????? you need to work out your income (based on no more than 80% occupancy at your funded rate...then take off all your expenses and take in to account a 6% net profit what are you left with?? over the next three years there will be NO increase in funding can you afford projected increases in wages and pensions?? How do you charge parents?? is this going to be possible when you have to give 30 hours"free" (bearing in mind the government are suggesting that you Have to give 30 hours without charging! You will be taking a financial hit if children are paying £4,50 but every funded child is only paying £4 that's potentially a loss of £3 per day (£15 per week ...£570 per child per year times X amount of children per year!) 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoneyPancakes Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 From my point of view as a childminder I can only see more funded hours as a good thing, for me and for parents. The offered rate is a little less than I charge new parents, but I do offer more flexibility than other settings which makes my remaining limited places difficult to fill. If it means I can encourage parents to keep their child with me for 30 hours rather than 15 then that's a good increase in pay for me. Historically parents have limited their work to limit fees until their children start school - many of my parents are able to do so - I wish I could too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSFRebecca Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The Pre-school Learning Alliance has published this excellent 'mythbusting' guide which is free to download. I recommend that you do! Early years changes: a myth-buster 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 The Pre-school Learning Alliance has published this excellent 'mythbusting' guide which is free to download. I recommend that you do! Early years changes: a myth-buster Thank you Rebecca :1b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 From my point of view as a childminder I can only see more funded hours as a good thing, for me and for parents. The offered rate is a little less than I charge new parents, but I do offer more flexibility than other settings which makes my remaining limited places difficult to fill. If it means I can encourage parents to keep their child with me for 30 hours rather than 15 then that's a good increase in pay for me. Historically parents have limited their work to limit fees until their children start school - many of my parents are able to do so - I wish I could too. That's really good Honey :1b Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeytg Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Thanks for the link to the Mythbuster - I have been telling my parents they have to work a minimum of 16 hrs - this seems to be incorrect. #confused Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Ok now dont shout i know most of you dont have your rate yet but has anyone had any info on SEND money? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panders Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Ok now dont shout i know most of you dont have your rate yet but has anyone had any info on SEND money? no 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 No afraid not. Thank you for the mythbuster information Rebecca. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Thanks for the link to the Mythbuster - I have been telling my parents they have to work a minimum of 16 hrs - this seems to be incorrect. #confused Not just you, I thought that too - is it still that BOTH parents must be working? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 i see it as a married couple must both be earning a minimum of what the equivalent of 16hrs @ min wage would equate to, approx £115 a week i think (or a single parent the same) but they could be very high earners in theory and earn £115 an hour but only work 1 hour a week and would qualify. then there are the other reasons for qualifying like on mat leave, carers allowance etc... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 i see it as a married couple must both be earning a minimum of what the equivalent of 16hrs @ min wage would equate to, approx £115 a week i think (or a single parent the same) but they could be very high earners in theory and earn £115 an hour but only work 1 hour a week and would qualify. then there are the other reasons for qualifying like on mat leave, carers allowance etc... depends on age too as to what the minimum wage is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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