lynned55 Posted June 12, 2021 Share Posted June 12, 2021 22 hours ago, zigzag said: Firstly, thank you all for making me realise that it’s not just us that are having these problems as selfish as that sounds! Just wanted to share what I did today! During session the Barbies had been spread over the floor so I walked up to them and very loudly said, “well you are not being looked after, the children don’t want you” and put them in the bin (it was a clean brand new bin) well, you could have heard a pin drop and their mouths needed picking up from the floor. A couple of minutes later one of the older children dropped her jumper on the floor and left it whilst she was dressing up, they are well trained to put jumpers in cubby holes, so I did the same and put it in the bin. I very loudly said that if the children decide to look after the toys then they need to take them out of the bin and put them where they belong. This worked so well, I’m aware that it sounds quite drastic but I needed to do something to shock them and wow it sure worked. This continued into the outside area as well. We will see what happens next week!.... I think I may try that Zigzag. Ours are dreadful at the moment. Noisy, loud screaming at each other. Fighting games and absolutely no respect for toys, staff or each other. Toys are just dropped, thrown or discarded wherever they happen to be. A couple of weeks ago- I honestly thought it was the weather- they were cooped up indoors day after day as soon as we did get outside, the heavens were opening. Then we had a few days of high winds - so thought it was that. But now I'm at my wits end with them. Yesterday we had two slapping each other round the face, taking it in turns to do so. But its the total lack of respect for resources thats really bugging me- they walk across anything on the floor, stamping on books- we've tried everything. I got so cross yesterday that I sent them all home with 'next week, we are having no toys out at preschool. Tell your mummies its because you dont know how to look after them' Felt bad after as it's not all (about 6 out of 25 are fine!`) of them, our worst offenders are the older ones. For the first time I am thinking some of these children should not be with us- they really need to be in school- in a more structured environment. Although as soon as staff try to do more structured activities with a group- they are so easily distracted and busy poking and annoying each other it becomes very difficult. Anyway- I think I may try your bin idea. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 Does anyone else wonder if the past years of free choice, free flow, free anything else you fancy has finally caught up with us? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 I did it with my daughter once, after telling her several times to tidy her room. I threatened I would do it, but she didn’t believe me, so I went in there with a roll of bin bags and anything that wasn’t put away was put into the bin bag, tied and outside the back door. Next day was dustbin day when she was at school, and I tucked them away in the loft and sorted through them all properly. I gave her what wasn’t broken or rubbish back once she’d kept things tidy for a reasonable time. She did learn her lesson though, and I’d only to pick up the roll of bin bags after that and she’d do it properly! She still talks about it. As a child, we learned as my Mum threw things out of the bedroom windows if they weren’t put away, and we’d come home to find the garden strewn with stuff! My brother lost his marbles that way - Dad was digging them up for years 😳😂🤭 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Mouseketeer said: Does anyone else wonder if the past years of free choice, free flow, free anything else you fancy has finally caught up with us? Most definitely!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 3 hours ago, Mouseketeer said: Does anyone else wonder if the past years of free choice, free flow, free anything else you fancy has finally caught up with us? Yes! I also question some of the parenting! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted June 14, 2021 Share Posted June 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, zigzag said: Yes! I also question some of the parenting! There is definitely a leaning to ‘being best friends’ rather than parent/child relationships with some of ours :-( 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Well it's here again!🙀 Is it just me or does it seem to be going faster than ever this year? Nothing much planned for this weekend due to weather. We've never really been big on celebrating fathers day anyway-so that'd not an issue for us. Had 'what do we do' about the leavers day panic, but got that sorted now too. Had good news from our landlords (scouts) they need to make changes to the hall so they can run Covid safe in the autumn/winter ... and it works in our favour! Means a very serious sort out of our cupboard during the summer- but we'll get much easier access storage. they even offered the manpower to help move everything! 😊 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted June 18, 2021 Author Share Posted June 18, 2021 It is indeed another Friday and yes louby, I agree it is all flying by! Your plans sound very good We are hoping for our usual end of term picnic with parents included which may or may not be okay as we finish on 20th (the day after 'terminus day') we will see how that is looking closer to the time... Had been a good week up until today 🤦♀️ if anyone finds lots of ears anywhere, they belong to the children in my setting and I would really appreciate safe return!!! They do not seem to be able to listen unless and until I raise my voice - can't be doing with that - I like quiet and calm... Plans this weekend include an outdoor gathering tomorrow for middle granddaughter's birthday - but, of course, this is weather dependent so we will be praying for it to be dry... Hope the weekend is kind to all x 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I think it will take some sorting to get the ears back to the right settings…I am done with this year group and have never felt like that, there are only a handful that are not a challenge in one way or another, Covid will be blamed but I don’t believe it’s all down to that, the most challenging didn’t stop coming (funny that, but what does that say 🤨), my only thought is that they had a lot of attention when so many others stayed off that they then didn’t cope well when others returned and they had to share that attention so stepped up the unacceptable behaviours to gain ‘negative attention’ 🤷♀️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 I think i may have to agree to the i've had enough of this year 🙄 I'm finding it really hard to continue to give at the level of our norm. The children do seem to be a challenge and i'm not really sure why. Loud, messy, cannot sit and eat at a table, extremes of learning like i have never experienced before....i have some reading and on ELG's already and some who cannot hold a pencil at all ( 2 still with reverse palmer grasps!) I have 5 summer born boys (some with EAL) who are NOT ready for school at all......look out reception teachers next years group are going to be a challenge! they are however at least toilet trained ...well except two of my little ones with ASD who are still struggling 😪 3 children on EHCP's has been a challenge too far i feel..... Having children with additional needs is an important part of our service but we have had such little support from any agencies this year, how do they expect these children to survive in school let alone thrive and do well? I am all for choice but if your child is unable to operate for any amount of time independently should they be in mainstream? (very controversial i'm sure) Right well moan over.... i have reports to write ARGGHHHHHHH! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 5 hours ago, finleysmaid said: I am all for choice but if your child is unable to operate for any amount of time independently should they be in mainstream? (very controversial i'm sure) Not at all, I’m with you on this, how is anyone being helped by the lack of professional support we receive for these children or the shortage in Sen provision places, they are either not listening to us or not wanting to hear it ….staff were prepared to work for the crap pay because they enjoyed their job, they don’t anymore ☹️ I do wonder how the new EYFS with it’s no age bands or refinements is going to help up secure funding when we can’t even get it now when we have assessment evidence to show they are x bands below where they should be ….or is that all part of the plan? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twinthinguk Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 21 hours ago, finleysmaid said: . Having children with additional needs is an important part of our service but we have had such little support from any agencies this year, how do they expect these children to survive in school let alone thrive and do well? I am all for choice but if your child is unable to operate for any amount of time independently should they be in mainstream? (very controversial i'm sure) Right well moan over.... i have reports to write ARGGHHHHHHH! I completely agree, I am sending two off to school, fully supported transition with parents and senco and class teacher meetings but they are in no way ready to be in a class of 30 others with a ta and a teacher! I feel sorry for both the children themselves, the teaching staff at the school and the other children in the class! I have done all I can to send them off to school with all the documents and experiences shared so at least the school know what they are taking on but it does not feel very positive from my side. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, twinthinguk said: I completely agree, I am sending two off to school, fully supported transition with parents and senco and class teacher meetings but they are in no way ready to be in a class of 30 others with a ta and a teacher! I feel sorry for both the children themselves, the teaching staff at the school and the other children in the class! I have done all I can to send them off to school with all the documents and experiences shared so at least the school know what they are taking on but it does not feel very positive from my side. This is such a difficult subject isn't it? My daughter has a minor disability and i know how hard it was to get support for her. I am very pro children going in to mainstream but only when it allows them to have the opportunity to thrive....IMO it's not ok to just be OK. With school budgets being so tight the money that should be ring fenced to help these children is so often used to support other things 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 12 hours ago, finleysmaid said: 14 hours ago, twinthinguk said: This is such a difficult subject isn't it? (Not sure what’s happened to the quote box). It so is FM, it’s an ever worsening crisis, more children with higher levels of Sen are going into mainstream, even with an EHCP our county (presume it’s the same for all) only fund approximately half of the hours that child needs 1:1 support for, putting even more of a burden on already tight budgets as a child needing 1:1 needs it for all the hours they go to school not just half of them, the need doesn’t go away once the 14 funded hours a week have been used up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 8 hours ago, Mouseketeer said: (Not sure what’s happened to the quote box). It so is FM, it’s an ever worsening crisis, more children with higher levels of Sen are going into mainstream, even with an EHCP our county (presume it’s the same for all) only fund approximately half of the hours that child needs 1:1 support for, putting even more of a burden on already tight budgets as a child needing 1:1 needs it for all the hours they go to school not just half of them, the need doesn’t go away once the 14 funded hours a week have been used up. I was assuming all EHCP's are equal????? it appears not from your post. EHCP's around here are given a rating for funding 1-5 a 4 rating (high needs) would fund them for around 3/4 of each day a level 5 covers most but not all of their hours at school.....is this not the same around the country? i thought this was set by the government but maybe not!?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 14 hours ago, finleysmaid said: I was assuming all EHCP's are equal????? it appears not from your post. EHCP's around here are given a rating for funding 1-5 a 4 rating (high needs) would fund them for around 3/4 of each day a level 5 covers most but not all of their hours at school.....is this not the same around the country? i thought this was set by the government but maybe not!?? Maybe it’s changed, the last child we sent to school (2 yrs ago) with an EHCP had been awarded full hours 1:1 bit then county only paid for 14 of those hours a week and the school budget paid for the rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 21, 2021 Share Posted June 21, 2021 39 minutes ago, Mouseketeer said: Maybe it’s changed, the last child we sent to school (2 yrs ago) with an EHCP had been awarded full hours 1:1 bit then county only paid for 14 of those hours a week and the school budget paid for the rest. EHC plans are based on needs not on hours now. our level 4 funding equates to about16k which is not enough for a full time staff member in school. Mind you our really complex chap is going in to mainstream and we have just been told the dinner lady has been asked to support him......not really sure that she is going to have the skills to deal with him....he's not a plate of chips! suspect she won't get any specialist training and she hasn't done any intervention support that we know of.....makes us feel a bit cross that they feel we are doing the same job that an unqualified dinner lady can do (i have nothing against dinner ladies BTW) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted June 22, 2021 Share Posted June 22, 2021 22 hours ago, finleysmaid said: EHC plans are based on needs not on hours now. our level 4 funding equates to about16k which is not enough for a full time staff member in school. Mind you our really complex chap is going in to mainstream and we have just been told the dinner lady has been asked to support him......not really sure that she is going to have the skills to deal with him....he's not a plate of chips! suspect she won't get any specialist training and she hasn't done any intervention support that we know of.....makes us feel a bit cross that they feel we are doing the same job that an unqualified dinner lady can do (i have nothing against dinner ladies BTW) Blimey, how on earth is that going to work for him? How is this acceptable for this little chap? I also have nothing against dinner ladies! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panders Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Could you approach the school and invite the dinner lady in for some quality time with you in your setting so she can at least see how you work with him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 2 hours ago, Panders said: Could you approach the school and invite the dinner lady in for some quality time with you in your setting so she can at least see how you work with him That seems like an excellent idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Thanks all...panic averted school have come to their senses ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 4 hours ago, sunnyday said: That seems like an excellent idea Or will put her off for good 🤦♀️ 1 hour ago, finleysmaid said: Thanks all...panic averted school have come to their senses ! What have they put in place fm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 So after further discussion they have decided to use a senior TA who is well versed in complex children and experienced and have advertised for another as this little one will need two split over the day 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted June 23, 2021 Author Share Posted June 23, 2021 33 minutes ago, finleysmaid said: So after further discussion they have decided to use a senior TA who is well versed in complex children and experienced and have advertised for another as this little one will need two split over the day That is such good news fm 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 Indeed ...i had visions of him climbing over the walls day one !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted June 23, 2021 Share Posted June 23, 2021 1 hour ago, finleysmaid said: So after further discussion they have decided to use a senior TA who is well versed in complex children and experienced and have advertised for another as this little one will need two split over the day What a relief for his parents too! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 oh dear we have a chicken pox epidemic going on!!! Anyone else? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 13 minutes ago, finleysmaid said: oh dear we have a chicken pox epidemic going on!!! Anyone else? No please!🙀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 24, 2021 Share Posted June 24, 2021 32 minutes ago, louby loo said: No please!🙀 i have had my sixth case TODAY! ( i mean 6 in a day!!!!!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted June 24, 2021 Author Share Posted June 24, 2021 47 minutes ago, finleysmaid said: oh dear we have a chicken pox epidemic going on!!! Anyone else? We have a family with cp but it hasn't reached the youngest who is with us...yet😝 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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