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#1 Rea

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 11:55 AM

https://www.netmums....hildcare-scheme

 

I dont follow things as closely as I could/should, but I was under the impression the SFF would be rolled out and according to some sources some of us would be worse off. Is this extra funding just for the areas mentioned?

 

£4.30 would be manna from heaven! 


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 03:13 PM

Looks like we are given options! A recent questionnaire that went to all nurseries in our Borough:

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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:24 PM

I wish there was a universally agreed system - we don't have and never have had any enhancement for having an EYT. I understand that some areas - such as London have higher running costs but surely all settings should receive the same basic funding to reflect the level of qualification the staff have?  I have tried to compile a letter to our parents explaining the changes in September but as we have had no official input from the Local Authority how can I?


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:30 PM

Can you send a letter explaining the principles but also explaining that as the numbers haven't been confirmed yet you can't give exact costings for your sessions?


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:35 PM

Good idea Rebecca 



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Posted 11 January 2017 - 04:43 PM

I think also that if you make it clear what your position is - i.e you're trying to plan without knowing exactly what you are planning for then they will be more 'on board' with everything when you do have figures and do tell them how much you are going to have to charge to keep your setting going


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Posted 11 January 2017 - 06:37 PM

  http://www.itv.com/n...eated-in-derby/

 

it appears that this extra 2 million is to ensure help in certain areas ,,,it is not to replace the 30 hour scheme.

 

£4.30 is the base rate BUT there are lots of reasons why many of us may not get this rate as the funding does not go universal (ie schools and pvi's) until 2020.

We have also been asked our opinion from our lea but they were also very open about the advantages and disadvantages of each option. I would urge you to think about any negative effects before you chose...... paying for an eyp uplift for instance may appear to be a good idea...but what happens if they leave? could you afford a hit on your funding and have you budgeted for that?

You might think it is not necessary for an uplift for SEN because you never have any children with difficulties...what happens then when you have three children with SEND at the same time???? In other words think outside the box what happens if things change will your funding be appropriate ?


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 10:40 AM

Our supplements have reduced, due to the 10% cap being introduced for certain supplements. We used to get more for our EYT and it made it financially viable, to pay this extra for the "quality." It will no longer be financially viable but I can't explain further here.

 

The rate of £4.30 x 30 hours p/w per child (paid over 38 weeks of the year) totals £4902 / 52 = £94.00 p/w per child on average, or £129.00 p/w per child, for term time only.

 

The incentive to open for 52 weeks of the year and over 10 hours per day (supplements reduced) have been taken away and I think this is an important issue.

 

The Government wanted this additional 15 hours to get families back into work and earning but many jobs are 40 hours per week or longer, in fact. If many childcare provisions decide to only open term time and for 30 hours, then finding childcare for these workers could become a problem. Yes, this could be seen as a good thing and many providers can charge a premium for these additional hours, due to demand increasing (we hope) but this won't happen instantly, so it could be a short term problem at the least.


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:01 PM

the amount of spaces available is quite likely to plummet....if all our parents were to take up 30 hours we would only be able to supply 50% of what we do now


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Posted 12 January 2017 - 09:03 PM

maybe this is a way of getting rid of lots of pvi's...it certainly favours the day care chains as a policy


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 09:44 AM

yes, spaces will reduce, many provisions could be financially better off to open for these core School hours and days and reduce wage bills and possibly rental fees. This could not only lead to reduction in Pre-School, 30 hour spaces, but also full time spaces for all ages..

 

The Government are reducing the financial incentive for settings to open for longer so yes it would appear to be an ideal arrangement for a certain type of setting.

 

If these additional 15 hours is really to allow more parents the freedom of work or more work, it as not been thought through very well. Unless of course a provision is willing to open longer hours and take these eligible 30 hour children for various sessions from 7am - 8pm etc.. but this is still not ideal for workers or even many parents who also take another child to a School.. it simply does not work too well for many.

 

finleysmaid, I am unaware of the hours these nursery chain settings usually operate or how this benefits them more but it would seem you are right. The link below shows the "league tables" for these chains, as if it is now simply a game to grow and be top dog! http://kids1st.net/w...ague-Tables.pdf


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Posted 13 January 2017 - 04:42 PM

I am preschool in a school(rural outstanding oversubscribed school) so we already offer 30 hrs by a 3 hr session in morning, lunch, 3 hr session in afternoon. Parents decide the sessions they want. I have 20 places for morning and same gor afternoon. I have 25 on roll, 2 children doing 30 hrs with most not even doing the free 15 hrs. Most of my mum's are part time and don't want to use the full 15 hrs but have time with their children at home. I would say 90% of my parents will be entitled to the 30 hrs due to their wages not their hours. I don't think that they will use the full 30 hours though.Currently got av 15 children in the mornings and 10 in the afternoons. Mind you they all leave in sept apart from 3 children!

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Posted Today, 09:13 AM

Marley - the 30 hours funding from September should benefit you then right? You would only need your 25 on roll or maybe even less to fill all your 20 spaces, so if you can get the children, you should be better off, depending on the funding rate, of course.


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