louby loo Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'll chase that up woodlands , hadn't realised they had..thanks I was going to suggest that too- I asked my friend (who is an Ofsted inspector that I would be happy to have I should add :1b ) and she said until you have the new certificate the old rules still apply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 We were Inspected post EYFS framework September 2012 and it does not state a registered amount. As the provider it is up to you to work out internal floor space, toilets, age of children. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 Not that I want more than 30 ...but how can it be one rule for one and one for another just because luck of draw some have inspections before others...or they've forgotten to send new certificates 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveryoung Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 We automatically got a new one with Max children removed x 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I'll just tippex it out then 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaMum Posted February 8, 2015 Share Posted February 8, 2015 I like Cait's explanation with the octopus, but it seems, my way, foreveryoung, louby loo and Cait's way of working out staff ratios all differ! I've worked out my numbers all four ways and I am still in ratio thank goodness, just worried about adding more children to the mix. I will get the date on the letter tomorrow as it is in the 'ofsted' file, but it's been a while. I will also be checking my certificate as we were inspected last year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Hi I was part of the very original query on this and had the sheet for working mixed ratios out. The point system does not work as the 2 yr old would not be in a 1:4 ratio. The 1:4 can be made up of other 2 yr olds or 3 yr olds. So looking at the points or octopus theory.... 2 arms takes a 2yr old, leaving 6 arms to take 6x 3 yr olds..this would mean that the 2 yr old was with another 6 x 3 yr olds so in fact in the ratio of 1 adult:7 children and not 1:4. If Inge sees this she will tell you that her friend used the points system and got pulled up by OFSTED for it! Oh..and of course they wont comment on it or express an opinion either! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 Well, good old reliable, consistent Ofsted was fine with it, in fact loved the way of working it out. It would be so helpful if it was clearly written in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 9, 2015 Share Posted February 9, 2015 (edited) Preschool learning alliance infoEmailing Staff:Child Ratios in Mixed Aged Rooms-1.pdf This supports the fact that children must remain in their ratios of eg 1:4 even if it is made up of older children. The table shows the working out for a setting with babies to 3 yr olds. Hope this helps and doesn't confuse the matter! Edited February 9, 2015 by marley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inge Posted February 10, 2015 Share Posted February 10, 2015 Yes , I had a friend who ended up in strife for using the points or Octopus system.. When you ask Ofsted they say read the standards.. which states 1:4 for 2yr olds.. there is no ambiguity in the statement .. it does say that clearly, I did have a check at the latest ones (2014) which state3.32.For children aged two: • there must be at least one member of staff for every four children; if you use points etc the children are no longer in a 1:4 but can end up in a 1:7 as an extreme case where there is 1 x 2yrs with 6 x 3 yrs as that would be allowed in a points system. At one point I remember it being ok with a child that turned 3 in that term being counted in the higher ratio.. but that was a while ago now and I am not sure if that still applies. So if you work to these numbers just be aware that it may cause an issue... of course if you have eyp or eyt where a 1:13 applies for the over 3s this will cause the ratio requirement to change and would work out differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lashes2508 Posted February 11, 2015 Share Posted February 11, 2015 Thought I would pop in and look at this post now feeling completely confused and got my tentacles in a twist ! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted February 12, 2015 Share Posted February 12, 2015 reading the 'living wage' thread, we may all have to adopt the points system out of necessity before long Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Just a thought from my previous post about 'registered' number being removed from reg certificates....why is it still included on recent reports ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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