monitoring numbers

[louby loo]

I'll chase that up woodlands , hadn't realised they had..thanks

I was going to suggest that too- I asked my friend (who is an Ofsted inspector that I would be happy to have I should add :1b ) and she said until you have the new certificate the old rules still apply.

[Fredbear]

We were Inspected post EYFS framework September 2012 and it does not state a registered amount.

As the provider it is up to you to work out internal floor space, toilets, age of children.

[Mouseketeer]

Not that I want more than 30 ...but how can it be one rule for one and one for another just because luck of draw some have inspections before others...or they've forgotten to send new certificates

[Foreveryoung]

We automatically got a new one with Max children removed x

[Mouseketeer]

I'll just tippex it out then

[MegaMum]

I like Cait's explanation with the octopus, but it seems, my way, foreveryoung, louby loo and Cait's way of working out staff ratios all differ! I've worked out my numbers all four ways and I am still in ratio thank goodness, just worried about adding more children to the mix.

I will get the date on the letter tomorrow as it is in the 'ofsted' file, but it's been a while. I will also be checking my certificate as we were inspected last year.

[Guest]

Hi

I was part of the very original query on this and had the sheet for working mixed ratios out. The point system does not work as the 2 yr old would not be in a 1:4 ratio. The 1:4 can be made up of other 2 yr olds or 3 yr olds.

So looking at the points or octopus theory.... 2 arms takes a 2yr old, leaving 6 arms to take 6x 3 yr olds..this would mean that the 2 yr old was with another 6 x 3 yr olds so in fact in the ratio of 1 adult:7 children and not 1:4.

If Inge sees this she will tell you that her friend used the points system and got pulled up by OFSTED for it! Oh..and of course they wont comment on it or express an opinion either!

[Cait]

Well, good old reliable, consistent Ofsted was fine with it, in fact loved the way of working it out.

 

It would be so helpful if it was clearly written in the first place!

[Guest]

Preschool learning alliance infoEmailing Staff:Child Ratios in Mixed Aged Rooms-1.pdf

This supports the fact that children must remain in their ratios of eg 1:4 even if it is made up of older children. The table shows the working out for a setting with babies to 3 yr olds. Hope this helps and doesn't confuse the matter!

Edited February 9, 2015 by marley

[Inge]

Yes , I had a friend who ended up in strife for using the points or Octopus system..

When you ask Ofsted they say read the standards.. which states 1:4 for 2yr olds.. there is no ambiguity in the statement .. it does say that clearly, I did have a check at the latest ones (2014) which state
3.32.For children aged two: • there must be at least one member of staff for every four children;

if you use points etc the children are no longer in a 1:4 but can end up in a 1:7 as an extreme case where there is 1 x 2yrs with 6 x 3 yrs as that would be allowed in a points system.

 

At one point I remember it being ok with a child that turned 3 in that term being counted in the higher ratio.. but that was a while ago now and I am not sure if that still applies.

So if you work to these numbers just be aware that it may cause an issue... of course if you have eyp or eyt where a 1:13 applies for the over 3s this will cause the ratio requirement to change and would work out differently.

 

 

[lashes2508]

Thought I would pop in and look at this post now feeling completely confused and got my tentacles in a twist !

[Mouseketeer]

reading the 'living wage' thread, we may all have to adopt the points system out of necessity before long

[Mouseketeer]

Just a thought from my previous post about 'registered' number being removed from reg certificates....why is it still included on recent reports ?