Hello Kitty Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 (edited) Just a bit of a poll really - I'm specifically interested in pre-school as opposed to day nursery really. Is the manager of your setting counted in the staff ratio? Does your manager have a group of key children? If yes to the above, how much paid admin/management time do they get a week? I currently have a day for admin but do LOTS in my own time. I have had two days a week for some of the time when we've had less children and I've managed to convince the Head that I need the time! We're school managed and I keep being asked to do more and more in the way of staff supervision, mentoring and data collection which all takes time away from my key working and I don't feel I'm doing any of it properly Newer staff recently have been surprised that I'm not out of ratio as they have come from day nurseries. The staff are behind me in agreeing that I should be out of ratio and not a key worker but I need more in the way of supporting evidence to take to the governors as it will obviously cost money to replace me in the ratio. I hope this makes sense! Edited to add... maybe it depends on the size of the setting... We have 100 currently on role and up to 52 in a session across two rooms. We have 8 key working staff (including me) and 3 lunch cover staff Edited April 13, 2013 by Hello Kitty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Biker Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Hi Kitty, I currently co-manage a preschool based within a school.(Two of work together as managers). We sound similar in size to you we take 48 children across 2 rooms each session. We are both supernumerary though, in practice spend at least three days a week in ratio in order to provide key workers time for record keeping and planning and to cover for lunch breaks. When we initially opened ( 7 years ago) we took keygroups and at times more recently have taken keygroups for example when we have had a staff member on long term sick . We found as we grew that we felt like you we were achieving nothing very effectively. Being supernumerary has enabled us to take a better overview and keep up with paperwork etc! Hope that helps. Biker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inge Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 On a ratio of 1;8 ,with 52 children is 6.5 adults... if you have 8 staff you are over minimum ratio. would this be the same as being not counted in a nursery environment? As in effect you are the one staff member over minimum ratio. Difference being you are acting as a key worker whereas they probably are not,think the issue is as always cost, very few preschools have the luxury of being able to have a manager out of ratio, and many don't pay any hours for admin time. So sorry to say you already have a luxury over and above many. and if it were a school nursery the ratio would be different again with less staff than you already have with the same number of children. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Hi, I'm just in a small preschool with maximum of twenty children per session. There are forty children on roll. I'm not supernumerary and have my own key group of twelve children. I do all my admin in my own time, it's my Preschool and we couldn't afford to pay me the hours I do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klc106 Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Hi, I'm just in a small preschool with maximum of twenty children per session. There are forty children on roll. I'm not supernumerary and have my own key group of twelve children. I do all my admin in my own time, it's my Preschool and we couldn't afford to pay me the hours I do. Same here too! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 30 place pre-school 54 on roll. sessional and full day care. I am manager and work on the floor ...also have key children. BUT when we increased in size last year we took on an administrator for 2 days a week...couldn't do it otherwise! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 35 place pre-school with 39 currently on role, and 4 members of staff to supervise - I am now counted in ratio due to the age of the majority of the children (in past years we haven't had to take them so young and therefore I wasn't counted in the ratios) I'm not a keyperson, but spend all my time on 'shop floor' we don't have internet connection or even an office so all admin done in my own unpaid time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted April 13, 2013 Share Posted April 13, 2013 Hi, I'm just in a small preschool with maximum of twenty children per session. There are forty children on roll. I'm not supernumerary and have my own key group of twelve children. I do all my admin in my own time, it's my Preschool and we couldn't afford to pay me the hours I do. We lead parallel lives! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Small twenty place pre-school, I have twelve key children. I have tried since September to have one session a week out of ratio but it just does not seem to work out. I always seem to be pulled back in!! So from this week will not be out of ratio at all. I do all the planning etc at home, but I do put down my hours for the extra. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 15, 2013 Share Posted April 15, 2013 DITTO I dont key work but i do every thing else, mostly at home as i am part of the ratio's i do pay myself now and snap everytime i pull some one in to cover me so i can do sme paperwork, something happens and i cant release myself same old same old Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mollypiper Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Small group up to 24 children any morning. In ratio and key worker to 8 children. One morning a week in the office. 5 hours a week paid for extra paperwork, learning journeys etc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumper Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Small group up to 24 children any morning. In ratio and key worker to 8 children. One morning a week in the office. 5 hours a week paid for extra paperwork, learning journeys etc. Same for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calicojo Posted April 16, 2013 Share Posted April 16, 2013 Up to 20 children , with 30 on roll at the moment. I'm always in ratio on the 4 days I'm in and have 1 paid morning a week working from home doing everything - or so it seems! Also keyworker to 8 children, who I don't feel I do my best for and get no extra time paid for, although the other staff get 1 hour a month (wowee!). Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SazzJ Posted May 2, 2013 Share Posted May 2, 2013 In Ratio with currently 8 key children and no admin time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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