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Ok..things are never straight formward at my setting are they?

Anyway sure you all know by now our deputy situation. Found out yesterday that Chair has had a teacher interested in the post....thats all i know.

So, thought I would come along and ask you lovely lot who are so knowledgable if a teacher can do it? Lets suppose she has no childcare qualifications (apart from eg teaching degree!!). is it allowed/feasibe?

My first thought is great, my second thought is why and my third thought is will she stay?!!! Hope you can see where Im coming from!

 

As for me..got job apllication form through but its a standard county counci application form and not much info came with it. Have phoned the pre-school to enquire about the hour but no one there. So, decided might as wl get the practice and applied anyway! Have really tried to sell myself and stressed that i would not be leaving current pre-school but wanted to do additional days elsewhere (idea is to give up the sainsburys thing!). Will let you know.

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I am guessing, though not thoroughly familiar with EYFS requireents, that as a deputy, who may need to take supervisor position in supervisors absence, that she would need a childcare & education qualification at level 3.

 

I always used to ask in interview (to all candidates whatever their qualifications), Why have you applied for this position and What do you see yourself doing in 3 to 5 yrs time? :o

 

 

Good luck with your interview, and as you said if not anything else it has been valuable already practicing the CV writing, plus hopefully an interview too.

 

 

Peggy

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think you need to know age range she has worked with as may not be relevant to your age children.

do you think she will be able to take role of deputy - will she once settled try to take over and find it hard not to be in charge - i think its one of those you wont know til she applies for job and has an interview - you will know whether she will fit in with you and yous setting as we have found that qualifications dont mean a thing its the person who counts and you instantly know if tht person is right for you .

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i am no expert ....but surely a teacher is higher qualified than a level 3????? :o

 

i reaslise this teacher may have no expertise in early years - but if she wants to do the job then surely she is qualified and will learn as she goes along!

 

have got this all wrong????? xD

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i am no expert ....but surely a teacher is higher qualified than a level 3????? :o

 

i reaslise this teacher may have no expertise in early years - but if she wants to do the job then surely she is qualified and will learn as she goes along!

 

have got this all wrong????? xD

 

Hi

Yes we do need more info really. Teachers are more highly qualified than level 3 but since posting this have been looking at the CDW website it has to be a degree specialised in early years and not just a general BEd (if my reading is correct). It maybe an ideal job for her and suits her for the hours but generally what advantages does it have over teaching ie, teachers get much more than £6.50p/h, dont need to set up/pack away as much, get paid holidays, sickness, no committee etc. Need to know more I think!

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Hi Marley. In my travels, I have come across a fair few teachers in settings now, some as managers, some as deputies, some as neither. One of the motivations has often bee they have young children themselves and really dont want the headache that teaching often brings, long hours (despite what people think) irrelevant meetings, bureaucracy (of a different type), and are motivatde by the fact that they still want to work woth children. Yes the pay will be a big consideration, but money isnt everythng. I guess the tecaher concerned will have thought it through and decided wthere her family can manage on the lower income. I took a pay drop to do the job I do now but Im much happier and much lesss stresed.

 

You do certianly need to look at the experience though. In mine, the teachers I meet in PVIs fall into two distinct categories.. those with EY experience may well be a great asset to you (although may also be out of touch wit EYFS?) those without can want things done too 'schoolly' becuase thats their experience. I wou;d therfore be a little careful about recruitng a teacher without any experince with younger children.

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Other issues aside. on the money side of it -she may have worked out -

 

less money=less tax and nat ins

less travelling = lowing expenses......... maybe she's in walking distance so it might even mean losing the cost of a second car.

More time for family

 

When I changed from a well paid full time job to part-time term time although may pay dropped significantly - I'm actually better off...... well would be if I didn't put in the unpaid hours they forget to mention!!

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thats is exactly it she may be a teacher but it does not make her en expert in early years and a deputy needs those experiences i feel it is hard enough when you have an inexperienced but qualified staff you need a deputy who is on the ball

and working in early years is very different as we know from working with older children

 

just an opinion

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thats is exactly it she may be a teacher but it does not make her en expert in early years and a deputy needs those experiences i feel it is hard enough when you have an inexperienced but qualified staff you need a deputy who is on the ball

and working in early years is very different as we know from working with older children

 

just an opinion

 

but she may also be an expert in early years remember the LA advisors (who advice you) were also teachers once so don't judge until you know more of her background and experience

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May she have problems understanding the rationale of EYFS? There have been so many threads on here recently about HT's not understanding what its all about, will she be able to 'sit on her hands'?

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May she have problems understanding the rationale of EYFS? There have been so many threads on here recently about HT's not understanding what its all about, will she be able to 'sit on her hands'?

 

Which might be why she is getting out of a school where, if she is Early Years, she may have had enough of not being able to work the way she knows she should. That is one of the biggest problems for some EY's teachers in some schools. I found moving from a school to a CC a tremendous relief, as everyone was 'singing from the same hymn sheet' and I could get on with the job without having to continually fight my corner.

I do think that you need to have more information about this teacher before you make a judgement.

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Hi all. Dont get me wrong not judging..just want to makes sure that it is allowed with welfar requirments?OFSTED etc. Would hate for committee to hire her and then find out that she is not "allowed" to do the job ie think the big thing is that she has to have got early years specialism?

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It maybe an ideal job for her and suits her for the hours but generally what advantages does it have over teaching ie, teachers get much more than £6.50p/h, dont need to set up/pack away as much, get paid holidays, sickness, no committee etc. Need to know more I think!

 

Maybe she/he is fed up of schools! Like me! Although I'm not a teacher :o

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Im a teacher working as a deputy manager now...and yes..mainly the above..too many limitations...red tape..paperwork..but i still love working with children. Although my degree is in primary ed i still worked with early years throughout my training both teaching placements and summer work. Lots of people train in areas and then once they get there decide maybe its not for them-not really fair to judge her just because shes a trained teacher. Maybe like me she just wanted a better work/life balance?

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and im sure there are no qualification reasons as to why she cannot do the job? teaching degrees are normally level 6 qualifications?

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and im sure there are no qualification reasons as to why she cannot do the job? teaching degrees are normally level 6 qualifications?

With all the controversy over EYPs having equivalent status to that of qualified teachers it would be pretty unfair if qualified teachers were barred from working in pre-school, wouldn't it?

 

I'm watching this with interest, marley - will be interested to hear what you find out about her QTS and what Ofsted says about her status! I really hope that this person turns out to be a really experienced early years teacher who will be the answer to all your prayers!

 

Maz

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I really hope that this person turns out to be a really experienced early years teacher who will be the answer to all your prayers!

 

Maz

 

Yes me too! Since being advertised we have this applicant and a young girl NVQ 3 (friend of current deputy) apply. Anyway not my decision.

 

An aside...I spoke to the the leader of the pre-school of the job Im going for and she has said me only studying for level 3 qualification was ok. Hours are not too bad (might have to do some jigery-pokery concerning my own kids but will sort that out if need be). She said interviews would be before Easter. Have told my supervisor who is deperate for me not to leave (hopefully wont have to..ideally want to do both) who said she is sure I could swap days so long as my job share was ok with it. I would love to get this new assistant job too as its a totally different setting....26 children and wait for it...7 staff!!!??? We are 24 children with 3 staff at the setting I am at now. Would love to just not have the admin, website, registers etc to do (not that i mind helping out my local pre-school .....but at least with new job could just go and be assistant rather that substitut deputy!). will let you know..although been told I wont hear anything to well after the closing date of 16 March!

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keeping fingers crossed for you.....

 

will be good for you to see how other groups work without the hassle...

 

I worked in 2 settings for several years, in the village where I live who like yours had an urgent need for someone qualified to run a session a week.. got that job by someone knocking on the door and asking me to take the session! and also in the group I eventually worked as manager.. who again rang me as they were desperate for qualified staff....it worked well if they were flexible with their days , and they had to understand that I could not be called in for cover as I worked elsewhere.

 

thinking about it , I have never had an interview for any of my early years jobs.....more a phone call and a plea for help... :o

 

Inge

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Well just got a little bit more info from supervisor...chair is bringing the teacher in who had originally applied for bank staff positon but chair wants to try and interview for deputy...however.....she teaches 6 th form???

 

Leave that one with you.

 

Hot off the press...seen chair and see says that this teacher would have to do NVQ 3 but that she can be fast tracked to do it in 3 months???

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