Guest Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 :huh: We are just about to change our memorandum and articles to allow the manager to be our nominated person but she wasn't going to be a director of the company just a committee member does this mean that she now can't be the Ofsted nominated person? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 If your committee are classed as directors, then yes she would also need to be classed as a committee member/ director and listed as such at companies house. The problem we currently have under our memorandum of articles is that no member of our committee/ directors can remain on after 6 years, so in 6 years time what do we do if I am on the committee and listed as the nominated person. Grrrrr:( We are fortunate on this occasion to have a committee/ director member that is EY trained and willing to be this, but in the future who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadOaks Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 So without me knowing too much about how your committee's work.. i am now presuming that they are Management Committee's? http://www.diycommitteeguide.org/code/principle/role-management-committee So every member of your committee are equal directors? Sorry for my ignorance regarding how these work! I am only experienced in a private owned nursery and a Charity Committee. Although i would imagine the Committee would have a ChairPerson.. Secretary and Treasurer.. maybe Trustees? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynned55 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 This puts those of us that have charity reg committees back to square one doesn't it? Our committee members change every year maybe some every two if we are lucky. So our nominated person will also have to change every year now. Give me strength!! As the nominated person Ofsted speak to me or write to me about everything, if I am no longer allowed to be the nominated person and it has to be a committee member then goodness knows what will happen. I flatly refuse to be a committee member -its about the only thing I dont do for my setting (even though I do actually do the chair, sec, and treasurers jobs for them) I wonder why the have decided this all has to be changed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I'm the same lynned55, can you imagine what is to come when they start sending post elsewhere, they take no notice of the ey3 info you give them either ...I'm thinking I might just add myself as a committee member but not actually tell the committee ....they'll never know lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Hi lynned53. You can still be named apparently as one of the persons for contact with Ofsted. I am in the same position as you. There are just some areas that will only be shared with the nominated person now. Ofsted informed me yesterday that one of the reasons of this change was that previously under the old system managers could leave a job but in theory still have the power over your provision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynned55 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Well I'm sorry but thats a ridiculous reason isnt it? As under the new system committee members will leave and as Mouse says Ofsted take no notice of EY3's so will still have power over our provision. I have heard awful tales in the past both from here and a group near me that had awful fights with their Chair as the nominated person simply because she used to get all their info and not pass it on. Fredbear wha areas will be shared with 'just the nominated person' did they say? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Oh for goodness sake!!!! Is just doesn't make sense! Edited January 30, 2016 by lsp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Ha ha well that's a good question. I have to say he did have to leave the call twice to go and clarify certain things, and was so obviously reading it out of a document. I'm not sure he knew himself. The whole things a damned farce, of which I have spent far too much time on in the past few weeks. On that note before I really lose the plot with it all, I shall be emailing them with my dissatisfaction in the way this has been delivered to provisions. Here endeth the rant:(:( 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 I am the manager and nominated person of a committee run pre school and find it ridiculous that I now have to ask a committee member to be the nominated person. What on earth is the reason for this? And how annoying to now have to ask a committee member to come in and have to tell them what I want to tell/ask Ofsted. I just can't get my head around it. Also does anybody know the correct process that we have to go through to change me from being nominated person to my chairperson? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Zigzag when I asked that question I was told that the current nominated person needed to send an email informing them of the new nominated person (current committee member). I said I would do this after the next committee meeting - if a decision was made and someone was willing to take over the role! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I am manager, general committee member, have CRB (not DBS) and nominated person - I am the only person Ofsted didn't query on my form! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 It's keeping them in work thumper! !! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I saw a post elsewhere that you can check who you have listed as committee from a tab once logged into your sef portal ....I couldn't find it does anyone else know how to see it, it would be useful ? Someone had asked how but no answer yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 I saw a post elsewhere that you can check who you have listed as committee from a tab once logged into your sef portal ....I couldn't find it does anyone else know how to see it, it would be useful ? Someone had asked how but no answer yet. I did once see the tab but when i clicked on it there was nothing to view! however that was the last time i updated my SEF and I wouldn't like to disclose when that actually was 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 (edited) Well I went to check, I do have a tab on the left that says 'enroll in self-service', you have to log in using ofsted token, I tried the number I have for sef log in but 'access is denied' is it a different token or have I been denied access already as I'm no longer nominated person in their eyes ? They'll be round for the keys next ! Edited January 31, 2016 by Mouseketeer 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Have you got an Ofsted gateway unique number. If so I think you can log in and look on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Have you got an Ofsted gateway unique number. If so I think you can log in and look on there. Is that different to the sef login number, in the dim and distant past I seem to remember a 'token' with a mix of numbers/ lower case letters ? Though I have seen a screen shot of the link on a sef page, it just says 'self-service', mine says 'enrole in self-service' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 No I think it's the same thing. The government gateway, or Ofsted online services enables you to access your sef, as well as other services. If you have lost or forgotten your id or password you can retrieve it by going on Ofsted online services. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 So I've just logged onto the Ofsted/gov gateway where I update my SEF There is an option called Enrol in Self-service it asks for your 'token' number again which I've put in but it has come back with an error message saying Service Access Denied Our records indicate that you are not currently allowed access to the service you are trying to enrol in. If you believe you should have access, please contact Ofsted on 0300 123 1231 Is that where I should be able to see my committee members? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 Yes I thought so. If you go back on Ofsted/ government gateway there is a guidance, frequently asked question section, if you scroll down it might help you. If not it's a call, ha ha that's if they will speak to you now.:) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted January 31, 2016 Share Posted January 31, 2016 That's exactly what mine says thumperrabbit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyfs1966 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Could you be getting the error message because your login is no longer valid, i.e. Ofsted have now sent a new set of log in details to the new nominated person? That;s what happened when we last changed nominated person. If that's the case, then how do you now do the sef? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Well I don't think they've worked it out yet due to the fact I haven't resent the form, and I can still use the log in to open the sef...I really don't have time for their mind games right now gggrrrr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Could you be getting the error message because your login is no longer valid, i.e. Ofsted have now sent a new set of log in details to the new nominated person? That;s what happened when we last changed nominated person. If that's the case, then how do you now do the sef? Just logged in and I can update my SEF - whoo can I say I've updated my SEF as I've updated the number of children on roll ?? ::1a 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynned55 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 So if I can no longer be the nominated person, does that mean it is no longer my responsibility to update SEF etc 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Yes I thought so. If you go back on Ofsted/ government gateway there is a guidance, frequently asked question section, if you scroll down it might help you. If not it's a call, ha ha that's if they will speak to you now.:) To be honest Fredbear I did check that screen over a year ago and I've never been able to access that screen. My returned email didn't query me being the nominated person as I am a general committee member anyway. Do I REALLY want to call Ofsted though?!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadOaks Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 It would help if anybody could answer my question. If your committee is classed as a Management Committee then all committee members' have an equal share in the responsibility. It won't matter who is chair, secretary or anything else. I guess any member of the committee could then be the nominated person? This would make things much easier right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunflower2015 Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 I am an Area manager for a group of nurseries and went to submit the spreadsheet updating info etc to be told I couldn't submit it as I was no longer nominated person for the company. Did not know anything about these changes and the business owner does not want to do it? Does anyone know anyway of getting around it? I think she is looking at making me a non-executive director of the company to please Ofsted?? Not sure, its just waiting more time that can be spent doing other things!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunnyday Posted February 1, 2016 Share Posted February 1, 2016 Just logged in and I can update my SEF - whoo can I say I've updated my SEF as I've updated the number of children on roll ?? ::1a Oh yes that's definitely an 'update'! ::1a 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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