Progress Check at Two

[Stargrower]

Hello everyone

Has anyone made any changes/amendments to your Two Year Check because of the revised EYFS?  Or are you carrying on as you were?

All seems very quiet on the forum lately, I hope everyone is ok 😊

[louby loo]

I've just taken that ages bands of mine.  Oh, and changes some of the headings we only every did the prime areas anyway.

[Mouseketeer]

5 hours ago, Stargrower said:

Hello everyone

Has anyone made any changes/amendments to your Two Year Check because of the revised EYFS?  Or are you carrying on as you were?

All seems very quiet on the forum lately, I hope everyone is ok 😊

Hi Stargrower,  it does doesn’t it? I think all the questions go in the fb group now.

I’ve changed ours by dropping aspects and the age bands/EDS (just the 3 prime areas) and adding concerns/no concerns to each area, we had already told our parents we would changing assessments to concerns/no concerns as Tapestry but we had a couple of not too happy parents because we’d recorded as ‘concern’ in an area so may need to look at the term we use again but I’m not sure what, I expect some will take offence what ever we use (additional support/not on track/intervention 🤷‍♀️,) I don’t think they quite understood the difference between E,D,S so didn’t seem as stark. 

[louby loo]

2 hours ago, Mouseketeer said:

Hi Stargrower,  it does doesn’t it? I think all the questions go in the fb group now.

I’ve changed ours by dropping aspects and the age bands/EDS (just the 3 prime areas) and adding concerns/no concerns to each area, we had already told our parents we would changing assessments to concerns/no concerns as Tapestry but we had a couple of not too happy parents because we’d recorded as ‘concern’ in an area so may need to look at the term we use again but I’m not sure what, I expect some will take offence what ever we use (additional support/not on track/intervention 🤷‍♀️,) I don’t think they quite understood the difference between E,D,S so didn’t seem as stark. 

Now I need to look at my wording, never had any comments though.

Just looked. We put-

Is the child meeting development milestones yes/no.   This is at the bottom- not for each area.

Edited August 24, 2021 by louby loo

[sunnyday]

louby - for what it's worth (not a lot I know) I think I would use something like 'working towards/achieved' instead of yes/no

[Mouseketeer]

It is tricky because if there is a ‘concern’ you don’t want to sugar coat it as the point of the 2 year check is to raise potential send issues  🤔 

[finleysmaid]

we just do a short written statement and preferably a discussion with the parents. The EYA produce one if you wanted a formula. We just have a discussion with the parents covering anything they want to (plus the 3 areas from us) then we have a chat about any concerns....usually all the HV stuff (toileting/eating/sleeping etc) and record.....follow ups are then done by my senco if needed

[Mouseketeer]

I’ve never seen an EYA version, is that a buy into? 
 

We find when we raise a ‘health’ concern with the HV it’s always passed back to us to deal with, very little partnership working there 😞

[Stargrower]

Thanks everyone.  I'm going to look at ours today/tomorrow (probably tomorrow, ha ha!) so all your replies are helpful.

I have to say, although I love Tapestry and we have used it from the start, I'm worried about the term "concerns".  I think it could make it sound like we are worried about a child's development, when it could just be that we are keeping an eye, supporting etc.

I'll have a look at the EYA Progress Check, thank you.

[Stargrower]

19 hours ago, Mouseketeer said:

Hi Stargrower,  it does doesn’t it? I think all the questions go in the fb group now.

Oh goodness, I didn't even realise there was one!!  Is that where everyone's gone? 😆

[Mouseketeer]

44 minutes ago, Stargrower said:

Thanks everyone.  I'm going to look at ours today/tomorrow (probably tomorrow, ha ha!) so all your replies are helpful.

I have to say, although I love Tapestry and we have used it from the start, I'm worried about the term "concerns".  I think it could make it sound like we are worried about a child's development, when it could just be that we are keeping an eye, supporting etc.

I'll have a look at the EYA Progress Check, thank you.

I feel the same about ‘concerns’ but not sure what says it in a more parent friendly way…supported/no support?  Action/no action? But if we change it then it won’t tie up with Tapestry print outs anyway. 

[Mouseketeer]

45 minutes ago, Stargrower said:

Oh goodness, I didn't even realise there was one!!  Is that where everyone's gone? 😆

I reckon 😞 

[finleysmaid]

I also do not like the word concerns....feel i have some competitive parents who will have an issue with this....why not just areas for development? or even things to work on?? 

[louby loo]

On 24/08/2021 at 14:31, Mouseketeer said:

Hi Stargrower,  it does doesn’t it? I think all the questions go in the fb group now.

 

They have a page 🙀.... or do you just mean Facebook in general? 

[louby loo]

22 hours ago, sunnyday said:

louby - for what it's worth (not a lot I know) I think I would use something like 'working towards/achieved' instead of yes/no

Good thinking.  

17 hours ago, Mouseketeer said:

It is tricky because if there is a ‘concern’ you don’t want to sugar coat it as the point of the 2 year check is to raise potential send issues  🤔 

I would say  though, with our two year check we do try and bring any concerns up  informally with the parent well before we do the written check so nothing really comes as a shock.

[Mouseketeer]

4 hours ago, louby loo said:

They have a page 🙀.... or do you just mean Facebook in general? 

Well it’s a Tapestry group, though there was an FSF group that Inge (I think it was) started eons ago 🤔 

[Mouseketeer]

4 hours ago, louby loo said:

Good thinking.  

I would say  though, with our two year check we do try and bring any concerns up  informally with the parent well before we do the written check so nothing really comes as a shock.

We do, but I still think seeing it in black & white makes it more real for them.

If I’m honest I actually think the 2 yr check is the biggest waste of paperwork time we do, they’ve usually already had it with HV before starting with us but we still have to do one and if we have concerns we flag it with parents & HV anyway, the HV says the parent isn’t concerned and then what ever we think has no merit with the parent, we often get the same with Salt, we advice that a salt referral could support their child, parent  agrees to us submitting one, they have a phone call from the salt and salt tells us the parent isn’t concerned 🤷‍♀️  

[louby loo]

42 minutes ago, Mouseketeer said:

We do, but I still think seeing it in black & white makes it more real for them.

If I’m honest I actually think the 2 yr check is the biggest waste of paperwork time we do, they’ve usually already had it with HV before starting with us but we still have to do one and if we have concerns we flag it with parents & HV anyway, the HV says the parent isn’t concerned and then what ever we think has no merit with the parent, we often get the same with Salt, we advice that a salt referral could support their child, parent  agrees to us submitting one, they have a phone call from the salt and salt tells us the parent isn’t concerned 🤷‍♀️  

Our were really good up until around 2019 when they cut all our area EY's Senco's - we used to have a fantastic one that always backed us up. Now it's a 0-25 Senco service and they really don't seem interested Early Years intervention-  😟

[finleysmaid]

ahh have just realised concerns are not visible to parents therefore guess it doesn't matter what they are called!!! 

[Mouseketeer]

10 hours ago, finleysmaid said:

ahh have just realised concerns are not visible to parents therefore guess it doesn't matter what they are called!!! 

If we print them they are, we usually print and put in their LJ.

[finleysmaid]

23 hours ago, Mouseketeer said:

If we print them they are, we usually print and put in their LJ.

it says in the video you can take them off the printing list...is this not correct??

[Mouseketeer]

27 minutes ago, finleysmaid said:

it says in the video you can take them off the printing list...is this not correct??

I don’t know FM, I’ll have a look….but what would I be printing if I took the concerns/no concerns part off 🤔 

edit: I had a play and you can just either export to pdf showing how many obs in each area and/or reflections added.

I just feel we’ve gone from having soooooo many screens to work with to one screen fits all, I’m not sure why when I export an individual guided screen it says ‘All children’ on the top, is there something I should be changing there too FM?

Edited August 28, 2021 by Mouseketeer

[finleysmaid]

On 28/08/2021 at 19:10, Mouseketeer said:

I don’t know FM, I’ll have a look….but what would I be printing if I took the concerns/no concerns part off 🤔 

edit: I had a play and you can just either export to pdf showing how many obs in each area and/or reflections added.

I just feel we’ve gone from having soooooo many screens to work with to one screen fits all, I’m not sure why when I export an individual guided screen it says ‘All children’ on the top, is there something I should be changing there too FM?

well i'm going to be no help here!! really haven't got my head round the tapestry part of my changes yet at all. I seem to be struggling a bit!! 

Have spent my morning reading all the statutory stuff to see if i can go back to basics and build from there! not really helping though😱

[Mouseketeer]

10 hours ago, finleysmaid said:

well i'm going to be no help here!! really haven't got my head round the tapestry part of my changes yet at all. I seem to be struggling a bit!! 

Have spent my morning reading all the statutory stuff to see if i can go back to basics and build from there! not really helping though😱

I think I’ve figured out how to use the ‘concerns’ screen, I’m more at a ‘do I want to?’ place, staff aren’t great at using the browser for anything, I’m thinking a sheet with the 7 areas down the left, 3 terms across the top (or maybe 6 half terms) and 2 columns under each term headed concern/no concern (or whatever we decide to call them) will do, staff can just record whether they feel the child needs support against any of the areas, it will be quicker and I won’t need to keep printing them off. Staff were worrying about how they’ll remember everything so I’ve created a sheet for each key group that they can add a key child, what their concern is, what they’re going  to do to support them etc it’s pretty basic but will do, I know I wouldn't be able to remember it all for 10 or 12 key chn so can understand why they are a little worried.

I’ve decided the changes from statutory framework that require policies updating can wait until I’m back at work. 

[blondie]

15 hours ago, Mouseketeer said:

I think I’ve figured out how to use the ‘concerns’ screen, I’m more at a ‘do I want to?’ place, staff aren’t great at using the browser for anything, I’m thinking a sheet with the 7 areas down the left, 3 terms across the top (or maybe 6 half terms) and 2 columns under each term headed concern/no concern (or whatever we decide to call them) will do, staff can just record whether they feel the child needs support against any of the areas, it will be quicker and I won’t need to keep printing them off. Staff were worrying about how they’ll remember everything so I’ve created a sheet for each key group that they can add a key child, what their concern is, what they’re going  to do to support them etc it’s pretty basic but will do, I know I wouldn't be able to remember it all for 10 or 12 key chn so can understand why they are a little worried.

I’ve decided the changes from statutory framework that require policies updating can wait until I’m back at work. 

would you mind sending a copy of your form as sounds an ideal way to work rather than keep looking online etc., thank you x

[finleysmaid]

20 hours ago, Mouseketeer said:

I think I’ve figured out how to use the ‘concerns’ screen, I’m more at a ‘do I want to?’ place, staff aren’t great at using the browser for anything, I’m thinking a sheet with the 7 areas down the left, 3 terms across the top (or maybe 6 half terms) and 2 columns under each term headed concern/no concern (or whatever we decide to call them) will do, staff can just record whether they feel the child needs support against any of the areas, it will be quicker and I won’t need to keep printing them off. Staff were worrying about how they’ll remember everything so I’ve created a sheet for each key group that they can add a key child, what their concern is, what they’re going  to do to support them etc it’s pretty basic but will do, I know I wouldn't be able to remember it all for 10 or 12 key chn so can understand why they are a little worried.

I’ve decided the changes from statutory framework that require policies updating can wait until I’m back at work. 

ok ...i like this KIS! i agree my staff only use the app. Taking on board your idea (Stealing it!) i'm not sure about having all the areas as i don't want it to turn in to any sort of tick list ...so i'm thinking just keygroup concerns box and what support will be put in place for them. Reviewed each half term maybe??

concerns -no concerns sheet.docx

[Mouseketeer]

1 hour ago, finleysmaid said:

ok ...i like this KIS! i agree my staff only use the app. Taking on board your idea (Stealing it!) i'm not sure about having all the areas as i don't want it to turn in to any sort of tick list ...so i'm thinking just keygroup concerns box and what support will be put in place for them. Reviewed each half term maybe??

concerns -no concerns sheet.docx 13.19 kB · 3 downloads

I just went on that if we used the Tapestry concern screen it would have the areas.

[finleysmaid]

10 minutes ago, Mouseketeer said:

I just went on that if we used the Tapestry concern screen it would have the areas.

we just have to find whats right for our settings don't we? i find myself constantly tweeking stuff....mine may not work ! 😂 quite liked the idea that we would do it by keyworker group though as that strengthens that bond which seems a big things in the framework,

[Mouseketeer]

10 minutes ago, finleysmaid said:

we just have to find whats right for our settings don't we? i find myself constantly tweeking stuff....mine may not work ! 😂 quite liked the idea that we would do it by keyworker group though as that strengthens that bond which seems a big things in the framework,

We do FM, I didn’t want anything on paper really but I also don’t want staff worrying that they won’t remember everything.

I have a different sheet for the key person to use for their group but that’s more if they have key chn needing support in an area/s, which I hope won’t be many.