WChurchill Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I am in a Nursery class in a school. I am taking rising 3s in September so will have to do the 2 year old check. I don't know anything about it. Do I need to go on training or is it straight forward.
hali Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I have told my settings that only take rising threes not to worry as the children coming from other settings will have already had a 2 yr check doneif not by the time they have settled and you get to know them it will be too late to do one, so not to worry about it. 1
sunnyday Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I am in a Nursery class in a school. I am taking rising 3s in September so will have to do the 2 year old check. I don't know anything about it. Do I need to go on training or is it straight forward. If you put 'A know how guide:The EYFS Progress Check at Age Two' into a search engine you will find all the necessary info. HTH :1b
finleysmaid Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 I have told my settings that only take rising threes not to worry as the children coming from other settings will have already had a 2 yr check doneif not by the time they have settled and you get to know them it will be too late to do one, so not to worry about it. humm been told by our lea that we have to ...ofsted site would also suggest this is the case. Have been told that the inspectors will check this and want to see one for children who start before their 3rd birthday. If anyone can prove me wrong i will be happy to go back and challenge my development officer 1
sunnyday Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 humm been told by our lea that we have to ...ofsted site would also suggest this is the case. Have been told that the inspectors will check this and want to see one for children who start before their 3rd birthday. If anyone can prove me wrong i will be happy to go back and challenge my development officer Been told the same thing finleysmaid :1b 1
SueJ Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 We have also been told to do 2 year check even when children are joining the setting and turning three within a couple of weeks 1
finleysmaid Posted April 25, 2013 Posted April 25, 2013 sorry got distracted ...Mumm ...no training available in our borough! Fairly simple Assess in three prme areas and feedback to parents . Refer any issues! (good luck with this bit!!!!)
eyfs1966 Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 IF a 2 year old check HAS been done by previous setting, then you just need proof of that (say parent to sign to agree has already been done. However, if NO check done, then it is a statutory requirement, so you MUST do it. 1
Guest Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 (edited) I have heard this too, that you need to check if one has already been done and if not you need to do it!! Edited April 26, 2013 by Scarlettangel
twinthinguk Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 i went on specific training for the two year checks and they told us that if you take children who are almost 3 , not to do it, either they have had it done at the previous setting or your first assessment in their learning journal will be instead of the two year check. We take children from 2 and half so I have done several of them.....the how to guide is sufficient and to be honest the training I had did not tell me anything more than the guide did, I found the samples interesting and now write the checks in an appropriate way for the parents, some of mine love a lot of details, some just want the minimum to read.
hali Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 How can you do a developmental check when you dont know the child? You will not get a true picture of their development until they have settled into nursery
SueJ Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 I have put together a 2 year check policy that says a child must have attended a certain number of hours for us to undertake a 2 year check in order that we may get to know and understand the child and therefore be able to put together an informed 2 year check report. 2
sunnyday Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 How can you do a developmental check when you dont know the child? You will not get a true picture of their development until they have settled into nursery I hear what you're saying hali and of course, you are completely right :1b Like Sue I won't even begin to look at this until children have had time to settle - further to this I include a statement e.g. Bert has attended 12 x 3 hour sessions at time of assessment (or whatever fits!) 1
Guest Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 The 2 year old check is a statutory requirement so must be completed. I would suggest adding a question to your initial information gathering form that is completed with the parent asking them if a progress check has been completed. If they say yes ask them if they have a copy you could see or are they ok with you contacting the previous setting to ensure one has been completed. I would then record this on the form as evidence for Ofsted showing them you have considered the progress check the parent will also sign this form. If the parent says one has not been completed & the setting confirm this I would do a very brief baseline assessment after the child's first few weeks with a rider stating the context of the progress check. I would also report the previous setting to Ofsted as they are not meeting the statutory requirements of the EYFS may sound harsh but they must be completed.
sunnyday Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 The 2 year old check is a statutory requirement so must be completed. I would suggest adding a question to your initial information gathering form that is completed with the parent asking them if a progress check has been completed. If they say yes ask them if they have a copy you could see or are they ok with you contacting the previous setting to ensure one has been completed. I would then record this on the form as evidence for Ofsted showing them you have considered the progress check the parent will also sign this form. If the parent says one has not been completed & the setting confirm this I would do a very brief baseline assessment after the child's first few weeks with a rider stating the context of the progress check. I would also report the previous setting to Ofsted as they are not meeting the statutory requirements of the EYFS may sound harsh but they must be completed. Welcome to the forum DNB21 :1b Would you really report another setting to Ofsted - I can't ever imagine doing that and certainly not for failure to carry out two year old checks...........would have to be something incredibly awful - a safeguarding/child protection issue perhaps...... 1
Guest Posted April 26, 2013 Posted April 26, 2013 Hi thank you for the welcome the 2 year old progress is a statutory requirement and if a setting has not completed them then they are in breach of the requirements. The progress checks informs the care, learning and development of a child so I do think that the setting should be reported to Ofsted. We all know that the earlier any issues are identified and intervention strategies implemented for children the greater the impact, the progress check when completed well is key to early intervention another year could have passed by before any support is given to the child and family. Sorry if is sounds harsh
Mouseketeer Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 (edited) Have to say ofsteded a couple of months ago and wasn't even asked about them let alone wanting to see any ......have done them for children who were 2.6 to 2.9 at time the checks came in but told not to worry about ones pushing 3 at that time, and as I (think) put on another thread most of our children still don't attend till 3 year funding so never get one anyway and the ones that maybe attend a term prior for 1, max2 sessions a week we don't know enough about before 3 anyway. And I'm not sure an extra bit of paper makes any difference if we have concerns about a child's development anyway and how we would normally handle early intervention situations, also from reading other thread not all counties expect a copy to go to health visitors anyway, so it's still your call rather than adding it to a piece of paper that someone might or might not read, and if parents aren't on board with what you think should be included (so far one has said they want a S&L concern removed, which had been raised with parent before) then its totally pointless. Edited April 27, 2013 by mouse63
finleysmaid Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 This is a quote from our LEA following a consultation with ofsted..... FAQ's Our school now takes children the term in which they are 3 (rising 3s). Will we need to complete a Progress Check? Yes, if the parents have not received a written Progress Check from another provider, then you must complete the Progress Check for any child that joins your setting before the age of 3.
sunnyday Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Hi thank you for the welcome the 2 year old progress is a statutory requirement and if a setting has not completed them then they are in breach of the requirements. The progress checks informs the care, learning and development of a child so I do think that the setting should be reported to Ofsted. We all know that the earlier any issues are identified and intervention strategies implemented for children the greater the impact, the progress check when completed well is key to early intervention another year could have passed by before any support is given to the child and family. Sorry if is sounds harsh Thank you for your response - we all have our own views and that is one of the fantastic things about this forum - we can all feel free to express them here. I understand completely the rationale for carrying out the two year old checks - I have no doubts that this is very important. My 'issue' is with the idea of reporting other settings to Ofsted - that just doesn't 'sit well' with me - but that's your opinion so I respect that :1b
finleysmaid Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 my issues with the two year old check at the moment is getting the parents to come in to do it....they don't see it as important. I am still chasing up the ones that should have been done last term. They all get done but not as soon as they should Mind you unless ofsted come in no-one would know...they dont get used by anyone else! :blink: Because of the age of the children we take we have decided to do them in the term that they turn 3 which gives us time to get to know them.
redjayne Posted April 27, 2013 Posted April 27, 2013 Like any developmental tool the Two Year old check has it's uses, and if you are completing it on a child who has just joined you it acts as a baseline for you to work from, and gives parents an idea of what their child can do- it also gives us as practitioners another way to engage with parents. As a setting that has two year old funded children we are obliged to complete a check within the first half term, and it has helped us identify children earlier who may need extra support - helpful especially for speech and language as our SALTS are so backed up it could be 6 months before a child gets seen, and in a preschoolers life that's a long time,at least we can put in our own interventions beforehand. Even if a child turns 3 in that first few weeks the check is still useful and relevant, as for reporting other settings who may not have done a check - I would be very wary, they may have done it but not shared with parents ( not ideal but does happen) and getting into the realms of reporting others can often turn around and bite you on the backside, and especially in a fairly small community can get nasty. It's Ofsted's job to monitor not ours as settings. 2
Guest Posted December 1, 2015 Posted December 1, 2015 some counties have the HV's do the 2 year old check literally the month the child turns two so practitioners feel they have to do it the same time but the guidance says between 24-36 months. Even if the child was with you for a few months prior to ther 2nd birthday would you still not wait a little bit after their 2nd birthday before doing the 2 yr progress check?
thumperrabbit Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 some counties have the HV's do the 2 year old check literally the month the child turns two so practitioners feel they have to do it the same time but the guidance says between 24-36 months. Even if the child was with you for a few months prior to ther 2nd birthday would you still not wait a little bit after their 2nd birthday before doing the 2 yr progress check? Our area HV's do 2yrs 3mths almost every child who starts with us has already had their HV check; only once has someone said anything was bought up and that was about height (nothing we can do about that!) We feel this report is a time consuming paper exercise - nobody except us & parent see it - we are NOT to send to HV's (local guidance) yes you can say that its partnership with parents but we did anyway! If we identify any needs we deal with it by contacting the right team eg SLT or Sen One of our current bug bears at the mo! 1
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