Fredbear Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Hi wise ones, can anybody explain how these work. In terms of funding If you are a nursery does an inset training day mean a whole day. If you are a sessional setting does it mean 2 sessions equals 1 inset training day. Any comments gratefully received. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blondie Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 we have five training days per school year - we are a sessional pre-school so means we can have five whole days or ten half days - we usually have a mixture of the two to accomadate our training x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted September 18, 2012 Author Share Posted September 18, 2012 Thanks Blondie, ours used to be five but then went to one per term, couldn't get a decisive answer from LA, awaiting a return call from another Department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SueJ Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 We only get funded for 38 weeks of the school year provided those weeks are when we are open for the children so there is no inset day funding at all - inset days would have to be outside the funded weeks of term and not sure where we would find the additional funds to pay staff to attend them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 We only get funded for 38 weeks of the school year provided those weeks are when we are open for the children so there is no inset day funding at all - inset days would have to be outside the funded weeks of term and not sure where we would find the additional funds to pay staff to attend them. Our LA states in contract that we should have three - one per term. (pre-school) Interesting about the sessional issue. I would say a day is a day whether one or two sessions. xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I questioned whether we could take training days and was told in no uncertain terms that no we couldn't and it was a myth that anyone thought they could use days during funded weeks as training days in our county . Just one day a year would be good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafa Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I questioned whether we could take training days and was told in no uncertain terms that no we couldn't and it was a myth that anyone thought they could use days during funded weeks as training days in our county . Just one day a year would be good. Yep, its back to that Hymn Sheet again isn't it!!!!!! Obviously different counties have different budgets, however we are all supposed to be delivering the same Eyfs and all that entails so it seems fair we have the same opportunities to access all training and time to...and I love this......cascade it!! Yeah right.....generally done over the mop and buckets as we rush to clear the building!! : ) No disrespect but I feel lots of important issues were missed from the Tickell review......TIME being one novel initiative no one has thought of?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I questioned whether we could take training days and was told in no uncertain terms that no we couldn't and it was a myth that anyone thought they could use days during funded weeks as training days in our county . Just one day a year would be good. That's awful Are you expected to do a certain amount of training/CPD ? We are, so these three days allow us to do in house training as well as cascade other courses etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Totally agree Rafa ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 We are the same as mouse63. we have to do 24 hurs training each year but not in funded sessions time!!! which means we have t pay staff for extra hours if they do training in their own time. We have asked if we can be paid for inset days but were told NO!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Hi I've just checked the essex early years contract-Provider can have max 3 inset training days (ie one per term). Staff training must be held outside of these times incl if the offer is spread over 50weeks. where the offer is spread over 50 weeks and the training requires the provision to close to children the provider may exceptionally close one day per term for training purposes. there you have it!! ( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I wish Ours didn't even rate cascading new eyfs info to other staff a reason for pd training, and now just found out that on the plus side our county have devised 2yr old check forms that can be added to red books.....and we get to buy from them !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynned55 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Odd isn't it, how different LA's rules & regs are. We can have odd training days & emergency days where we wouldn't lose funding. Nursery schools close for training days dont they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anju Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Ooh that's a good point about nursery schools closing for training/Inset days. I think like schools they are funded for 39 weeks minus the 5 days so its 38 weeks. Whereas we only get the 38 weeks funding. I am going to query this with my LEA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted September 22, 2012 Author Share Posted September 22, 2012 That's what I was told by our LA Anju, as we have lots of activity days throughout the year even if it isn't a child's session we certainly cover giving them there entitlement, so we are closed one day per term for staff training. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjayne Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 We have three a year - one per term and this is allowed in our NEG contract too - and they are really useful especially for team updates like manual handling and safeguarding as I know all the team have updated at the same time when it's done this way and it helps my training budget. :1b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 22, 2012 Share Posted September 22, 2012 Inset days what are those!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! we dont get them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Let us know how you get on anju. That's a good point fredbear...children do get free time when in for things like nativity, sports morning....did wonder whether poss to slot children in on one day into another through the week to free up a day for training, sure 99% of parents would be ok with this but you get that other 1% that wouldn't agree to swapping a day, we recently have a few asking to change days if going on holidays or just fancying a day out really....how do others deal with this ? Do you allow it ? or like us it has been a no, registers must be a right mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjayne Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 We are quite firm with our free entitlement families , and point out that if the child was in school a) They would be heartily discouraged from taking time off for holidays etc, and B) they wouldn't be able to swap days anyway ! So it's a no for swapping for holidays - but for 'emergency' situations where a child misses due to family maybe having to go look after a sick relative we offer the sessions back during the holidays when we are quieter ( advantage of being open all year) Our paying parents get a holiday allowance anyway so it doesn't arise with them. I stagger the INSET days so they don't impact on the same children every session, and make parents aware that the day will not be reimbursed. If they get a bit difficult I just remind them it won't happen in school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 Sounds good, but don't have any entitlement in our nef contracts. Like you if it's an emergency or a child has ongoing medical appointments we aim to be flexible....but will stick with that I think. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anju Posted September 23, 2012 Share Posted September 23, 2012 I don't swap days and I tell them that when they start. Although it doesn't stop some getting sh*tty about it. Same with paying fees when kids are ill. Most accept it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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