finleysmaid Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 one of our trustees (fully dbs'd through ofsted) is going to do some work with us in january with the children...do we need to dbs her again???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Is she signed to the update service? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 Then I think if you do a check on the update service and record that check as clear, it should be ok. It’s such a minefield and so confusing to know if you are doing the right thing with these checks now. I guess for clarity you could email Ofsted and ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, zigzag said: Then I think if you do a check on the update service and record that check as clear, it should be ok. It’s such a minefield and so confusing to know if you are doing the right thing with these checks now. I guess for clarity you could email Ofsted and ask. yes my issue is the "do you work with the children " question obviously when a trustee no but now a yes!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 9 minutes ago, finleysmaid said: yes my issue is the "do you work with the children " question obviously when a trustee no but now a yes!!! Ahh, see your point! So guessing you would need to go for the enhanced check then that you pay for. It kinda makes a mockery of the whole update service! Surely a clear check is a clear check. I would contact Ofsted if I was you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted December 13, 2019 Author Share Posted December 13, 2019 12 minutes ago, zigzag said: Ahh, see your point! So guessing you would need to go for the enhanced check then that you pay for. It kinda makes a mockery of the whole update service! Surely a clear check is a clear check. I would contact Ofsted if I was you. it is an enhanced check (they need it to become part of the business)...hum yes think an email needs to be pinged off!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargrower Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I would say do a check through the update service. Isn't that the point of it? If she has an advanced check and is signed up to the update service, I don't see there's any more that you could do. Might be wrong though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 Hi, if she is going to be paid you need to do the paid DBS, employees can’t work on a volunteer dbs....I guess because we’d all get them done as a volunteer before putting someone on the payroll, we had something from county years ago warning us not to do it because we could get a large fine and our registration closed if caught. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 22 minutes ago, Mouseketeer said: Hi, if she is going to be paid you need to do the paid DBS, employees can’t work on a volunteer dbs....I guess because we’d all get them done as a volunteer before putting someone on the payroll, we had something from county years ago warning us not to do it because we could get a large fine and our registration closed if caught. Ah well that sounds quite clear....is this from your LEA then? (i hadn't actually asked our LEA they are being a bit useless at the moment!!!) Yes she is on the update service but i can understand that they need to get their pennies worth from us....lets not give us an inch eh? after all we get paid so much funding (sorry sarcasm off button not working) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarshaD Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 I don’t know that - oh poo! i have a volunteer who became staff recently and didn’t re DBS. We don’t use the update service. Can i just ask how anyone would know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted December 14, 2019 Author Share Posted December 14, 2019 24 minutes ago, MarshaD said: Can i just ask how anyone would know? Ahh the question i have asked myself for 21 years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted December 14, 2019 Share Posted December 14, 2019 (edited) 6 hours ago, finleysmaid said: Ah well that sounds quite clear....is this from your LEA then? (i hadn't actually asked our LEA they are being a bit useless at the moment!!!) Yes she is on the update service but i can understand that they need to get their pennies worth from us....lets not give us an inch eh? after all we get paid so much funding (sorry sarcasm off button not working) No not from LEA, that was a newsletter type thing, I think because staff were often being recruited from committee members, that paragraph is from an Ofsted or DFE document, i’ll try and find which one. This isn’t the one, but it does cover the employee v volunteer Dbs: http://ofsteddbsapplication.co.uk/sw-files/volunteer-guidance.pdf Edited December 14, 2019 by Mouseketeer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveryoung Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) A new EY2 would need to be done too, don't get caught out with that bit, needs to select working directly with children. They will then need a health declaration completing from them and their drs at whatever cost it is they charge. The transfer as above is not allowed which is a massive pain in the rear! I get why they do it but it would make sense to have a volunteer period clause in it so then we could use it if they transferred to paid say 6 months later. Edited December 15, 2019 by Foreveryoung Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 35 minutes ago, Foreveryoung said: The transfer as above is not allowed which is a massive pain in the rear! I get why they do it but it would make sense to have a volunteer period clause in it so then we could use it if they transferred to paid say 6 months later. You’d think something could be put in place to eliminate the need to start again if the person has stayed on the update service, like you say for a transfer fee. none of my staff have EY2s or health checks (only me as manager and on committee). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveryoung Posted December 15, 2019 Share Posted December 15, 2019 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Mouseketeer said: You’d think something could be put in place to eliminate the need to start again if the person has stayed on the update service, like you say for a transfer fee. none of my staff have EY2s or health checks (only me as manager and on committee). This person is a trustee and I presume will remain so while working in the setting therefore they will need a new EY2, staff and managers your quite right don't (if not also on Committee), just pointing out the EY2 need for this person. Now the idea of a transfer would require someone to think of us mugs on the ground navigating and funding the DBS's to care about us..... likely good? Well there's always hope I guess 😂 Edited December 15, 2019 by Foreveryoung 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 20 hours ago, Foreveryoung said: This person is a trustee and I presume will remain so while working in the setting therefore they will need a new EY2, staff and managers your quite right don't (if not also on Committee), just pointing out the EY2 need for this person. Now the idea of a transfer would require someone to think of us mugs on the ground navigating and funding the DBS's to care about us..... likely good? Well there's always hope I guess 😂 She doesn't work as a trustee on the floor though. SO the EY2 bit is for her trustee role . Her staff contract would be under a new dbs certificate for staff done through us. Our trustees don't need health checks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted December 16, 2019 Author Share Posted December 16, 2019 Ive sent an enquiry in to Ofsted!! i'll get back to you when ive got the answers (don't hold your breath!) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 20 minutes ago, finleysmaid said: Ive sent an enquiry in to Ofsted!! i'll get back to you when ive got the answers (don't hold your breath!) If you don’t like the answer just leave it 10 minutes and try again 😂 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zigzag Posted December 16, 2019 Share Posted December 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Mouseketeer said: If you don’t like the answer just leave it 10 minutes and try again 😂 Classic🤣🤣 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveryoung Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 On 16/12/2019 at 22:16, finleysmaid said: Ive sent an enquiry in to Ofsted!! i'll get back to you when ive got the answers (don't hold your breath!) Please do keep us updated, I bet it will be an unclear answer 🙃 they love to give non direct information. I was told what I know about it when I phoned them regarding a trustee coming onto our bank staff while still remaining as a trustee, about a year ago now. This is when I was told it is a whole new EY2 and would require health dec, this stopped us from moving forward due to having to go through it all again but just for bank staff. It was said it is because the EY2 asks the direct working question to which her current one said no, I can not remember exact words but basically we could get RI if found to be non compliant. I did only phone the once so maybe could have been given dud advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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