pickles37 Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Hello, do any of you outsource your personnel to save committee members being involved? If so who do you use and if not how do you manage? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Hi pickles 37, What type of things are you considering outsourcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickles37 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Anything to do with the higher level of personnel that committee members may struggle to deal with, decision making, disciplinaries, contracts etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2015 Share Posted October 11, 2015 Great question, as I am looking into something similar for our setting! We would want to outsource employment law, also disciplinaries and grievances, contracts, but knowing where to even begin looking is a challenge inn itself! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickles37 Posted October 11, 2015 Author Share Posted October 11, 2015 Yes cvdbout I am looking for exactly the same, it is a bit of a minefield isn't it. But I believe it is harder and harder for a committee to take these difficult tasks on. Hopefully some others will have some ideas too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 I'm in a nursery setting and this is something I keep badgering the owner to organise. I'd like to have someone at the end of the phone who can advice and help on employment law. I use ACAS but I find they're very bias to whoever calls, so if you call as an employer they tell you you're in the right but then if you call as an employee with the same problem they tell you your employer is in the wrong! Had a couple of meetings with local companies but the prices just for consultancy are so expensive :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadOaks Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 We use Peninsula at the moment and they are very good but can be quite costly. There are also Citation who are similar.. and i am sure many more around. They can be quite competitive for your business so room for negotiation on prices if you want to get it slightly cheaper.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If you use some of the Sage payroll software systems, you can pick up some HR support through them (at a cost). Some of the paperwork you can download, eg contracts, and I think there is an option for phone back up as well if you need advice. You should be able to find the details on their web site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 If a member of PSLA you hace access to Law call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LKeyteach Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 When I opened business bank account, bank offered me service at reduced rate. They wrote staff contract and advised bout other stuff. Since then price has home up but they have been invaluable with staff disciplinary advice etc. So ask bank if they offer service. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveryoung Posted October 12, 2015 Share Posted October 12, 2015 We found law call not very good when we had a major disciplinary matter and they was as general and as much use as ACAS, which yes they say well the law says this the law says that but what you want is someone to say write for your business and what you need you need to do X,Y and Z. Our law call solicitor would write us a letter for £900 so I looked around and found our HR company they do H&S but we didn't take that part of the package just HR, they took all the hassle on there and then, I felt like I had been rescued by an angel ! You can nominate as many points of contact so there's me (manager) chair and secretary who can log on and ask questions or phone. I have used the online service for so many things a quick e-mail gets a fast response I've checked parental leave, contract changes and much more. When you sign up they do an overhaul of needed of contracts give you an employee hand book and procedure book along with all letter templates in regards to the new handbooks. If you ensure you follow all there advice they guarantee their work in the way of any successful tribunal claims are paid by them, obviously they attend and represent you at tribunal. The ability to just ask and get a clear cut answer back has been a major support to me and a weight off my shoulders as my chair answer to everything is just 'sack them' dohhhh that doesn't help. Company (not by commission) is wirehouse and attended our out of hours board meeting to sell their stuff to the ones with the purse strings 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 We found law call not very good when we had a major disciplinary matter and they was as general and as much use as ACAS, which yes they say well the law says this the law says that but what you want is someone to say write for your business and what you need you need to do X,Y and Z. Our law call solicitor would write us a letter for £900 so I looked around and found our HR company they do H&S but we didn't take that part of the package just HR, they took all the hassle on there and then, I felt like I had been rescued by an angel ! You can nominate as many points of contact so there's me (manager) chair and secretary who can log on and ask questions or phone. I have used the online service for so many things a quick e-mail gets a fast response I've checked parental leave, contract changes and much more. When you sign up they do an overhaul of needed of contracts give you an employee hand book and procedure book along with all letter templates in regards to the new handbooks. If you ensure you follow all there advice they guarantee their work in the way of any successful tribunal claims are paid by them, obviously they attend and represent you at tribunal. The ability to just ask and get a clear cut answer back has been a major support to me and a weight off my shoulders as my chair answer to everything is just 'sack them' dohhhh that doesn't help. Company (not by commission) is wirehouse and attended our out of hours board meeting to sell their stuff to the ones with the purse strings These people sound like angels I definitely need to look into this company ASAP x Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadOaks Posted October 13, 2015 Share Posted October 13, 2015 Ohh Wirehouse do look good.. nice website too with some good information. The service sounds very similar to ours tbh and i wish we wasn't tied to a 5 year contract so we could shop around now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pickles37 Posted October 18, 2015 Author Share Posted October 18, 2015 Wow, thanks foreveryoung they do look good. How much do they charge as they don't mention costs on website. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foreveryoung Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Wow, thanks foreveryoung they do look good. How much do they charge as they don't mention costs on website. We pay just over £1000 per year, it sounds a lot but when we was looking at paying a Law Call solicitor £900 for one letter if it went straight forward we could see it was money well spent. In over 10 years of management I have never come across such a hard situation as I did towards end of last year and didn't know where to turn or how to protect the business from a member of staff trying to pull us down and this company was worth every penny. They wrote all the new handbooks and contracts which again is worth a good few hundred so we are making them work for it! But every time I now get a niggle from a staff member say for instance using parental leave when the father lives at home and could care for child or wanting to change hours right through to ensuring we pay holiday pay legally - I just ask away. No point paying them if I don't use them, so really when I add up how much they are supporting me and how much work they have done a thousand is money well spent. I can honestly say they tell you what you need to do that's best for the business none of this well if/and but business. Feel I should be getting commission here ha ha ha xxx 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 We pay just over £1000 per year, it sounds a lot but when we was looking at paying a Law Call solicitor £900 for one letter if it went straight forward we could see it was money well spent. In over 10 years of management I have never come across such a hard situation as I did towards end of last year and didn't know where to turn or how to protect the business from a member of staff trying to pull us down and this company was worth every penny. They wrote all the new handbooks and contracts which again is worth a good few hundred so we are making them work for it! But every time I now get a niggle from a staff member say for instance using parental leave when the father lives at home and could care for child or wanting to change hours right through to ensuring we pay holiday pay legally - I just ask away. No point paying them if I don't use them, so really when I add up how much they are supporting me and how much work they have done a thousand is money well spent. I can honestly say they tell you what you need to do that's best for the business none of this well if/and but business. Feel I should be getting commission here ha ha ha xxx This is exactly what I need but my owner just won't fork out for it. He thinks I am more than capable of dealing with all the things they could help me with, because it is my job after all. He is not my favourite person at the minute, haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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