Ratios and qualifications.......again! Help needed.

[Guest]

Hi all,

Sorry to ask the ratio question again, but I am in need of a bit of help and support.

I am in the process of buying a preschool and I need to get my head around the ratios but with particular reference to the qualifications of the staff.

So on one day I have:

4 x 2-3 year olds and

22 x 3-4 year olds

I would need 1 member of staff to be with the 2-3's and 3 members of staff to be with the 3-4 year olds, I get that bit!

I have 4 members of staff, one QTS, 2 x L3 and 1 unqualified (UQ). My question is, can I count the UQ member of staff in the ratios?

On one day, I have 8 x 2-3's and 15 x 3-4's but with still only 4 members of staff.

Is this right? My concern is the UQ member of staff, I am not sure if she can be counted? Please help as I am really stuck and concerned that I am not covering the ratios properly.

Thank you so much,

Kt

[eyfs1966]

UQ can definately count in ratios. both scenarios are fine on 4 members of staff as far as i can calculate.

[woodlands1997]

As long as 50% of staff are qualified it's fine!

[Guest]

I concur!

[Guest]

Oh, that's great, thanks so much. I feel like I can rest easy now!

[Joanne123]

I understand it to be 50% qualified, not including me (manager)

[Guest]

Thanks!

[Wildflowers]

The QTS can have 13 children, which you may not want, but could be helpful to know if there is a staffing crisis, e.g. if someone falls ill during the day.

[Foreveryoung]

I'm presuming they are all in the same room? If so I agree with above your ok, it's one qualified then the rest of the staff at least 50% qualified (incl l2) so take your QTS as lead you need 2 out of your 3 other staff at least to be qualified which you have x

[Guest degplay]

another scenario, how many staff?

 

12 children 3yr/4yr

7 children 2yr

 

 

or 10 children 3yr/4yr

6 children 2 yrs

Edited February 4, 2015 by degplay

[finleysmaid]

another scenario, how many staff?

 

8 children 3yr/4yr 1 member of staff

4 children 2yr

2 staff both qualified

[woodlands1997]

12 and 7 scenario - 4 staff or if one is eyp then 3

10 and 6 - 3 staff

[Inge]

staff_ratios.doc

 

 

dug out this chart to help with ratios - it does have a 1 staff option but we all know there is never 1 staff so read it as 2.. and does not use EYT/ETP 1:13 ratio which would be different..

for qualifications leader is qualified, plus half of all the other staff... should be easy to work out..

3 staff needed = 2 qualified

4 staff = 3 qualified

5 staff = 3 qualified

6 staff = 4 qualified

7 staff = 4 qualified

remembering of course all this is a minimum need..

Edited February 5, 2015 by Inge