Thumper Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Can anyone help to clarify my issue... I work in a preschool always at one member of staff above ratio, at present 4 staff most sessions We run a free flow session between indoors/outdoors so generally 2 staff in each area unless children move to throw ratios out then we stand between areas so can observe both whilst other staff are in the area. My issue is if a child needs changing of clothes, nappy, help in the toilet area our EY advisor tells me 2 members of staff must do this together but we cannot be out of ratio in the room or outside.... I can't split myself in two! She informed me the dreaded O people will shut us down if we allow ratios to drop or allow staff alone to help children? Any advice?
Guest Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Had ofsted today and no worries over one staff member in changing area. As long as risk assessment and stringent procedures are in place and you can demonstrate that any risk is acknowledged and minimised it is acceptable. Remember that they are only advisers and you have to do what works within your setting
Greenfinch Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 Well,I don't know what anyone else will say.... We do not change children in two's! I doubt there are many settings that do and to my knowledge, nowhere does it state that 2 people should so why should you be closed down! The only thing I can think is, is your changing area a long way from everywhere else in the setting and therefore, not in earshot etc from other staff so possibly a cause for concern for your EY advisor?
klc106 Posted September 30, 2013 Posted September 30, 2013 At my setting there are only 2 of us with around 8-10 children. We have never had a problem from Ofsted or our improvement advisors. We change children in the disabled toilet area which is in the hallway adjoining the main room
twinthinguk Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I think this is another case of early years advisors getting a bit carried away......why two people? if its for safe guarding then its rather over the top! we work on a simular basis to you, we always tell another member of staff when we are going to help with toilet issues, Ofsted came two weeks ago and was very happy with our practice and said how well we communicate as a team, as other poster mentioned, they are there to advise but you do whats best for your own setting x I hope this gets sorted soon for you and yoru team x 1
narnia Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I think we've all acknolwedged that nappy changing is not a 'spectator activity'? One person is fine, why on earth would you need two; as max says, so long as you have your risk assessments in place and use properly cleared staff, there shouldn't be an issue. Let's leave the children their dignity and our staff some respect. 3
Thumper Posted October 1, 2013 Author Posted October 1, 2013 Thank you for your replies everyone. I was wondering if this could be right and panicking at the thought id missed the information stating this was best practice!
catma Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I think this is another case of early years advisors getting a bit carried away... An Early years adviser, singular. We are not an amorphous body!! Cx 8
sunnyday Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I think we've all acknowledged that nappy changing is not a 'spectator activity Oi - that's my line Thumper - ignore this particular piece of advice from your adviser - well I would anyway 1
twinthinguk Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 An Early years adviser, singular. We are not an amorphous body!! Cx appologies, i am sorry if I cause offence, x I did not make my point very well, I agree, one not all x
Rea Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 I saw a tweet today, cant find who from, someone had been sent an email about a cardboard box which goes over the child so it has privacy while on a potty. Google came up with this... http://www.babble.com/home/a-mini-mobile-outhouse-potty-training-in-privacy/
Upsy Daisy Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Good grief! What will they think of next? If a child needs privacy they can use a toilet cubicle surely? 2
narnia Posted October 1, 2013 Posted October 1, 2013 Oi - that's my line Thumper - ignore this particular piece of advice from your adviser - well I would anyway That's why I said.......I think we've all acknowledged................... 3
catma Posted October 2, 2013 Posted October 2, 2013 appologies, i am sorry if I cause offence, x I did not make my point very well, I agree, one not all x No offence taken! 1
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