Guest Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Hi Can i just ask if anyone keeps a restraint file? I have been told by my EYA that we should have one? Quote
korkycat Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 We had training last year that clarified what we should do and ANY restraining you had to do was to be recorded and parent informed. Not got a specific file though would use Incident book if required and give duplicate to parent. Now we are not allowed to peel childen away from parent even if they want us to. Occasionally parent has had to put upset child down and let us comfort them- not what we like but you have to work with the parents. korkycat Quote
sunnyday Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Ah right - got it now! :1b We would use Incident record too........ Quote
Guest Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Thats what we use, but she told me today that i should have a file with loose pages that we record when restraint have taken place, at the moment we complete an incident form, this is shared with the parents, if its a child who needs restraining often they complete a permission letter, i cant see anything wrong with the way we do it... why do they always make you question what you do....... aaghhhhh Quote
Guest sn0wdr0p Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 We have a restraint record form which we complete and get the parents to sign. This gets filed in our incident file. Quote
sunnyday Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Thats what we use, but she told me today that i should have a file with loose pages that we record when restraint have taken place, at the moment we complete an incident form, this is shared with the parents, if its a child who needs restraining often they complete a permission letter, i cant see anything wrong with the way we do it... why do they always make you question what you do....... aaghhhhh I'm really quite puzzled by this ........ did she explain why? I'm especially puzzled by the reference to 'loose pages' - I always thought that this was discouraged to avoid pages being removed.... Quote
Panders Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I agree with Sunnyday that we had been told not to use loose pages, but I decided to return to loose pages some while back. I have a format I keep with the safeguarding file which we would complete. However, I had not considered the scenario of when a child doesn't want a parent to leave and we "hold on to them until they calm down", I was going more from the point of view of a child having a "melt down" moment. Hmm, will have to review with staff now :blink: Quote
Guest Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 since when can't we peel a child from a parent? is this even if they are asking us too? can't get my head round all these different do's and don'ts Quote
finleysmaid Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Now we are not allowed to peel childen away from parent even if they want us to. Occasionally parent has had to put upset child down and let us comfort them- not what we like but you have to work with the parents. good grief ! why on earth would this be unacceptable? Please tell me who told you this so that i can go and argue it with them!! :rolleyes: Quote
sunnyday Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 since when can't we peel a child from a parent? is this even if they are asking us too? can't get my head round all these different do's and don'ts Yes, this was 'news' to me too! Quote
Guest Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 sunnyday, had parents 'peel' 2 children off me today who didn't want to go home!! does that throw up problems too haha Quote
sunnyday Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 sunnyday, had parents 'peel' 2 children off me today who didn't want to go home!! does that throw up problems too haha Love it! Quote
Panders Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I'm on a safeguarding day next week, definitely going to ask about this one! Quote
finleysmaid Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 i did my designated person training last week nothing mentioned there! Quote
sunnyday Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 I'm on a safeguarding day next week, definitely going to ask about this one! Oh please do.........I am very lucky and only have one that we have to 'peel off' mums legs and we do have to hold him - if we didn't he would be 'out the door'........it is not something that we enjoy at all - but he is one of those children who as soon as the door is closed behind mum he is smiling - laughing even :1b Quote
Rafa Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 i did my designated person training last week nothing mentioned there! No...not said on mine either.......think they making it up as they go along now......have you ever heard of Candid Camera?? Umm...yea...makes you think dont it?? Quote
Panders Posted October 17, 2012 Posted October 17, 2012 Well it is a form of restraint, that cannot be denied - again it's just down to interpretation I suppose, some authorities will go further than others. If so much is being left to providers to make up their own minds about now, e.g., risk assessments, staff recruitment crb checks etc. then this is just another case where we make up our own minds and those who are very cautious will wish to make sure there are no chinks in the armour. 2 Quote
Panders Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 Staff reaction this morning a collective huge sigh and groans! 1 Quote
Guest Posted October 18, 2012 Posted October 18, 2012 I've heard this before. It was told to me as "you must record any event where you have to physically handle a child - ie lift them, restrain them or hold them". I have to say that working with children of the ages we did (2-4 years) I simply ignored this as a dictat given by someone who had never worked with children below the age of about 10! I'd never have had time to do anything else but record otherwise. Can't remember exactly who said it to us but I remember feeling it was advice from a primary or secondary age setting trying to be applied universally. Certainly my school now didn't want to record when I had to physically carry a child in the other week. Common sense does sometime prevail. Quote
reflection01 Posted October 19, 2012 Posted October 19, 2012 this is something that i to have been informed about this year, basically we need to now keep a file of any physicl intervention that takes place in the setting, so we have a seperate file that is just for this purpose, the parents are then to also sign to say that they have been informed, how it was discribed to me was physical intervention is anything that the staff have to do in order to prevent something else worse happening. Hope that helps Quote
Guest Posted October 20, 2012 Posted October 20, 2012 this is not a file im going to be starting anytime soon!! Quote
lynned55 Posted October 21, 2012 Posted October 21, 2012 this is not a file im going to be starting anytime soon!! Me neither!! Quote
Panders Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 ok, spoke to a Senior child protection officer this afternoon and she is adamant that we do not use the word restraint, in our policies or dealings with behaviour management as it has very serious connotations. She says there are 3 occasions when a child's behaviour needs adult management when a child is putting themselves in danger, another child/person in danger or causing damage to property. She suggests that for any of these 3 incidents that the Behaviour Management Policy and Procedures, (i.e. distraction first, etc.) are carried out and that incidents should be recorded in our usual way. She suggested that by recording that a child needs to be supported when a parent leaves should be recorded because it may show a pattern of only at certain times, i.e. Mondays, or only when a certain adult drops off and this could be used to analyse the situation. But she was quite adamant as I say, that we do not use any expression to do with restraint/restraining when recording. Quote
sunnyday Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Thank you very much for this info Panders :1b Edit to say........oh no you have been training in half-term week Edited October 30, 2012 by sunnyday Quote
Panders Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 No, got the date confused, my updating is in January! So rang today to clarify use of "restraining" and what to record Quote
sunnyday Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 No, got the date confused, my updating is in January! So rang today to clarify use of "restraining" and what to record :blink: :lol: :lol: That's good didn't want to think of you training this week :1b Quote
Melba Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 When we did our CP Designated Person training, the trainer particularly said that the rules about generally touching children was different when dealing with the those younger than school age because their needs are different. I find it hard enough to say no to the little arms reaching up to me now that my back is getting older I refuse to do it for any other reason!. Quote
Panders Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Quite right Melba, no one is saying we can't do it, afterall, in my own setting's case it is in front of all the other key workers so we would have a lot of witnesses it just needs to be recorded and the reasons why children are being held on to, as long as it is recorded then that should be o.k. just don't use the R word! I don't believe we should ever stop comforting children when they are in need of it in any way, that would be wrong, Edited October 30, 2012 by Panders 1 Quote
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