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I own my Pre-School and when I had my registration visit from Ofsted the inspector carried out my CRB Check and my husbands (he is a Director). If they are dur for renewal (3 years) does anyone know what we need to do or is it just good practice to renew every 3 years? Obviously although I do staffs I cant do mine or my husbands?

 

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You do not have to renew every 3 years ...as long as you are still working for the same company (which is obviously true for you) i have not had mine renewed since i started the job...just been inspected no problem at all. It is also not necessary to renew your staff's but it is advisable to get them to sign an annual declaration.

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I had a visit from our local authority to do our welfare audit and she says it is a requirement that everyone renews their CRB every 3yrs like you Finleysmaid I said that I thought as there was no changes this need not be done she insisted that we need them updated every 3yrs.

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I had a visit from our local authority to do our welfare audit and she says it is a requirement that everyone renews their CRB every 3yrs like you Finleysmaid I said that I thought as there was no changes this need not be done she insisted that we need them updated every 3yrs.

sue

I have checked this both with ofsted and with TMG who do our crb's for staff. It is likely that this will become a requirement but is not so at present. Of course LEA's sometimes make up their own requirements but it is not in legislation! We have a confirmation letter kept on file fromTMG to back up our info..so perhaps check with your issuing authority. ;)

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I had a visit from our local authority to do our welfare audit and she says it is a requirement that everyone renews their CRB every 3yrs like you Finleysmaid I said that I thought as there was no changes this need not be done she insisted that we need them updated every 3yrs.

sue

 

Hmmmmm.........wonder what she would have to say about my deputy and I who are both still working on our original Police Checks...........and before anyone starts firing - it's all perfectly right and acceptable - confirmed many times by Ofsted! :1b

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I wish everyone could be told the same thing. Our playleader wanted everyone to have a new CRB last year because the LA advisor told her we had to but with no reason for them we would have to pay so I emailed Ofsted and kept their response on file. No need to update unless the management deem it necessary, and I dont!

 

Edited to say, I've just noticed my ticker...7 days to go! :D ::1a :D

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we had it confirmed by Ofsted last time they came this did not cut any ice from our local authority lady we also use TMG but she still insisted that we had to re-do all our staff that had not had it done for over 3yrs that was 5 staff inclusive of all seniour staff. what a waste of time and money.

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we had it confirmed by Ofsted last time they came this did not cut any ice from our local authority lady we also use TMG but she still insisted that we had to re-do all our staff that had not had it done for over 3yrs that was 5 staff inclusive of all seniour staff. what a waste of time and money.

 

Sue - I wouldn't do it.........unless, of course, your LA make it a condition to enable you get funding? But if not I would say "thanks, for the advice, but Ofsted have confirmed this is not necessary" - or words to that effect.......

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I'm afraid i am a bit of a pain in my LEA's side! i have been told many things over the years that have been completely bogus! so i now question everything. If you are a PVI then the lea is an advisory service, their advice should be up to date and relevant but is not always so. The advisors often spend a large amount of time in the office rather than on the 'shop floor' and so are sometimes not working within the industry guidelines that we know and work with all the time. When talking about the new EYFS on here the other day it was clear that some of the advisors have had no more training than ourselves on issues that have come up. Please don't get me wrong i appreciate all the help i get.

Sorry Kris to come back to your point the only way is to do a crb renewal with ofsted...the forms are online.....if you still feel you need them :blink: :huh: :o;)xD

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Sue - I wouldn't do it.........unless, of course, your LA make it a condition to enable you get funding? But if not I would say "thanks, for the advice, but Ofsted have confirmed this is not necessary" - or words to that effect.......

 

A woman after my own heart!!!! xD :lol: xD :lol: xD ..........but then again- sometimes I think I'm just getting stroppy in my old age!

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I'm afraid i am a bit of a pain in my LEA's side! i have been told many things over the years that have been completely bogus! so i now question everything. If you are a PVI then the lea is an advisory service, their advice should be up to date and relevant but is not always so. The advisors often spend a large amount of time in the office rather than on the 'shop floor' and so are sometimes not working within the industry guidelines that we know and work with all the time. When talking about the new EYFS on here the other day it was clear that some of the advisors have had no more training than ourselves on issues that have come up. Please don't get me wrong i appreciate all the help i get.

Sorry Kris to come back to your point the only way is to do a crb renewal with ofsted...the forms are online.....if you still feel you need them :blink: :huh: :o;)xD

A woman after my own heart!!!! xD :lol: xD :lol: xD ..........but then again- sometimes I think I'm just getting stroppy in my old age!

 

Well that makes three of us then! xD

Fact is I don't have the finances to allow for anything that is not needed - dreadful grammar there but you get my drift.......

louby loo - I never tire of telling my sons "with these wrinkles comes great wisdom"! xD :lol: xD

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Well that makes three of us then! xD

Fact is I don't have the finances to allow for anything that is not needed - dreadful grammar there but you get my drift.......

louby loo - I never tire of telling my sons "with these wrinkles comes great wisdom"! xD :lol: xD

 

Four! Love the wrinkles/wisdom quote. i shall use that on my son's. No doubt they'll have a smart reply!

 

Kristina, I always do CRBs through Ofsted using their EY2 form, unless its changed recently. I was also told by Ofsted that I had to do committee CRBs through them not use the online company forms from TMG or similar.

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Interestingly at a meeting this week our local authority LADO was telling us to get them renewed. A childminder was questioning this very thing and he basically said that Ofsted were out of step with best practice and safeguarding advice. He didn't solve the problem though and as others have said if the authority make it a requirement of funding it is difficult. although a few years ago we did successfully challenge this with our authority, after getting a written response from TMG and Ofsted. It was also raised about the CRB only being valid at the time it was issued but this was somewhat glossed over.

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it was a condition for funding they hold you over a barrel

sue

Then get together and fight!!!! :o other authorities do not insist on it ...ask them to prove that this increases safeguarding in your Lea and then you will comply. Remember that the lea needs pvi's to fulfill its sufficiency ;)

Kris just to make it clear i did mean filing in the ofsted form online....you still need to apply to them (not through an agency)

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Have had an email today from Ofsted today which states that they do not need to re do CRB's every 3 years and until they tell me otherwise the original CRB's are valid!!

 

 

Kris

 

 

Print it and keep it in a folder. :D

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From the conversation I had with our LA lead for Safeguarding the reason CRB's are not "portable" between jobs is because the employer requesting the CRB in the first place will be informed (the information is held on computer) if any person you have had CRB'd is arrested, charged or convicted of any crime that gives cause for concern in relation to the post and the level of CRB.

 

Therefore if Ofsted do owners, directors etc. CRB's then Ofsted, as they requested the CRB, would be informed on the same basis.

 

Might I add that I had the conversation with bod from LA as I wanted to understand why Ofsted visited unannounced to check who I employed. Long story but an ex staff members husband was nicked for downloading child porn and the were wanting to see if she still worked for me (she had left long before this happened but had not had a CRB done by anyone after leaving us cos she went to work in a Supermarket) So the system still had her listed to me. LA bod also told me that since Little Ted's they have better systems in place to link other family members (husband in this case) to those working in the sector.

 

So I guess what I am trying to say is as long as you are still employed by the person who had CRB done or if Ofsted did it and you are in the same place then "your sins will find you out". ;)

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Hi

From this link on OFSTED website

http://www.ofsted.gov.uk/schools/for-schools/safeguarding-children

they say

 

The ‘three year rolling programme’ for all staff is a myth. There has never been a requirement for a rolling programme of three-yearly checks for staff who have unbroken service (that is, no break of three months or more). The only reference to three-year checks in Safeguarding children and safer recruitment in education is in appendix 11, where it is recommended for agency staff. Ofsted and the Department for Education have repeatedly pointed out that such routine checks for staff directly employed by a school or college are not required. Ofsted will consider such routine re-checks to be excessive, as they go beyond what the law requires or the Government recommends. They will not be considered evidence of good practice, and may be considered to represent a poor use of resources.

 

Hope that helps in the fight with LEAs!!

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