Increasing hours to 30 hours (Ofsted)

[Lynne28]

Hi Everyone,

 

At present we open 24 hours a week (term time only) and from January 2017 we are thinking about opening for 30 hours a week (term time only). We have just had an amazing first time Ofsted inspection and couldn't wish for a better outcome. Does any one know if we increase to 30 hours if we will be re inspected. I am unsure what the cut off hours are for us to turn into a nursery instead of a pre-school. We have e-mailed Ofsted to ask but as yet they have not yet responded with an answer on what we have to do to make this happen. At present we don't want to inform parents until the finer details have been secured but as January is not far away we need to do marketing because we will need new children for this to be financially viable.

 

I know this is a great site with many professionals to answer this question.

 

Has anyone already done this? and if you have what hurdles have you come across?.

 

Many thanks for you support

 

Lynne

[finleysmaid]

Ofsted wont now care ! you need to inform them but if you are a registered provider they wont really be interested in change of hours other than the fact it is a variation. I'm not sure what you mean about the nursery/pre-school hours? you can call yourself what the heck you like there is no restrictions on your name (we are a pre-school and now do 40.5 hours per week term time only!) No you won't be re-inspected (and well done on your inspection!!)

[Lynne28]

Ofsted wont now care ! you need to inform them but if you are a registered provider they wont really be interested in change of hours other than the fact it is a variation. I'm not sure what you mean about the nursery/pre-school hours? you can call yourself what the heck you like there is no restrictions on your name (we are a pre-school and now do 40.5 hours per week term time only!) No you won't be re-inspected (and well done on your inspection!!)

Thankyou for you quick reply.

About a year ago we changed from 20 hours to 24 hours a week and all we did was ring them but when we ring you are put on hold for a long time so decided to e-mail them instead. I was just wondering if you do more e hours is anoything different e.g ofsted costs etc.

 

We are over the moon with the inspection especially as it was our first one and was told that we could only get "good" because we were newly registered but as the Ofsted lady was unable to. Pick us up on anything she said she would speak to her boss and come back to us. She phoned the next day and said that because we had taken over an existing setting we wasn't classed as a new setting and that we had received a higher result which we are extremely pleased with. After all our hard work over two the last 2 years and a great manager we Want to make sure that we keep our Ofsted result.

 

Have you been through this ?

 

Many thanks and if you have any more pointers they will be greatly received.

 

Lynne

[Lynne28]

Ofsted wont now care ! you need to inform them but if you are a registered provider they wont really be interested in change of hours other than the fact it is a variation. I'm not sure what you mean about the nursery/pre-school hours? you can call yourself what the heck you like there is no restrictions on your name (we are a pre-school and now do 40.5 hours per week term time only!) No you won't be re-inspected (and well done on your inspection!!)

What I meant was "full day care" from "part time" if that makes sense

 

Thankyou

[blondie]

This note appeared at the end of our latest ofsted ( Dec 2014) - it might help you - Type of provision

 

For the purposes of this inspection the following definitions apply:

 

Full-time provision is that which operates for more than three hours. These are usually known as nurseries, nursery schools and pre-schools and must deliver the Early Years Foundation Stage. They are registered on the Early Years Register and pay the higher fee for registration.

 

Sessional provision operates for more than two hours but does not exceed three hours in any one day. These are usually known as pre-schools, kindergartens or nursery schools and must deliver the Early Years Foundation Stage. They are registered on the Early Years Register and pay the lower fee for registration.

 

Childminders care for one or more children where individual children attend for a period of more than two hours in any one day. They operate from domestic premises, which are usually the childminder’s own home. They are registered on the Early Years Register and must deliver the Early Years Foundation Stage.

[finleysmaid]

This note appeared at the end of our latest ofsted ( Dec 2014) - it might help you - Type of provision

 

For the purposes of this inspection the following definitions apply:

 

Full-time provision is that which operates for more than three hours. These are usually known as nurseries, nursery schools and pre-schools and must deliver the Early Years Foundation Stage. They are registered on the Early Years Register and pay the higher fee for registration.

 

Sessional provision operates for more than two hours but does not exceed three hours in any one day. These are usually known as pre-schools, kindergartens or nursery schools and must deliver the Early Years Foundation Stage. They are registered on the Early Years Register and pay the lower fee for registration.

 

Childminders care for one or more children where individual children attend for a period of more than two hours in any one day. They operate from domestic premises, which are usually the childminder’s own home. They are registered on the Early Years Register and must deliver the Early Years Foundation Stage.

 

this information has now changed.

 

If you are registered for term time only you pay the £35 fee if you are year round you pay the £220 ...if in doubt the information is on the registration info on the ofsted website.

 

Yes we have been through something similar ! we were also told we would not get an outstanding on our first inspection (in our new building...hence needing to re-register) We are now on our second outstanding in 5 years!! we have changed our hours from only sessional to sessional and lunch to sessional and lunch and another session and have now just added after school so we have children doing from only 3 hours to 9 hours per day term time only!!!

[Lynne28]

this information has now changed.

 

If you are registered for term time only you pay the £35 fee if you are year round you pay the £220 ...if in doubt the information is on the registration info on the ofsted website.

 

Yes we have been through something similar ! we were also told we would not get an outstanding on our first inspection (in our new building...hence needing to re-register) We are now on our second outstanding in 5 years!! we have changed our hours from only sessional to sessional and lunch to sessional and lunch and another session and have now just added after school so we have children doing from only 3 hours to 9 hours per day term time only!!!

[Lynne28]

 

this information has now changed.

 

If you are registered for term time only you pay the £35 fee if you are year round you pay the £220 ...if in doubt the information is on the registration info on the ofsted website.

 

Yes we have been through something similar ! we were also told we would not get an outstanding on our first inspection (in our new building...hence needing to re-register) We are now on our second outstanding in 5 years!! we have changed our hours from only sessional to sessional and lunch to sessional and lunch and another session and have now just added after school so we have children doing from only 3 hours to 9 hours per day term time only!!!

Thankyou it is becoming much clearer.

 

Well done on the last two inspections, it is such a great experience and you have also worked tremendously hard to continue to get "Outstanding" .

[lsp]

this information has now changed.

 

If you are registered for term time only you pay the £35 fee if you are year round you pay the £220 ...if in doubt the information is on the registration info on the ofsted website.

 

we have changed our hours from only sessional to sessional and lunch to sessional and lunch and another session and have now just added after school so we have children doing from only 3 hours to 9 hours per day term time only!!!

 

So, where does the £50 fee fit in? I have looked on ofsted website and had 'discussions' with ofsted. We are open 9 - 3 term-time only and pay £50. Is that the same as others? I know there is something about being registered before or after a certain year.

Edited November 27, 2016 by lsp

[Cait]

As I read it, the £50 fee is for settings that are only open in term time. I had a letter this week with the fee slip, I'll dig it out of the filing cabinet for you and quote it

[lsp]

Thanks Cait.

[Cait]

"You are in the standard fee band (£50 registered before 1st Sept 2008, £35 registered after 1st Sept 2008) if you operate for less than 45 weeks per year or less than 5 days per week or less than 3 hours per day (if registered on or after 1st sept 2008) or less than 4 hours per day (if registered before 1st sept 2008)"