sunnyday Posted January 4, 2021 Author Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:29, finleysmaid said: OOH get you...had to look that one up.... All employees have a term implied into their contract of employment that they can refuse to attend their workplace if it unsafe for them to do so. Under Section 44 of the Employment Rights Act 1996, an individual is protected from suffering a detriment (i.e. disciplinary action or a deduction from pay) if they exercise their legal right to refuse to attend a workplace that is not safe. This is individual right that all members should invoke using our model letter. so therefore doesn't appear to be union related! Expand Well done fm 1 Quote
finleysmaid Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 could we send a section 44 to our LEA's as they pay us to provide a service? Quote
sunnyday Posted January 4, 2021 Author Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:29, twinthinguk said: I am dumbfounded and shocked at this whole situation! Expand Yep me too - what the heck is he thinking about Quote
louby loo Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:18, sunnyday said: Like that's going to happen - with respect I can't see it can you? Expand No Quote
sunnyday Posted January 4, 2021 Author Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:30, louby loo said: I'm seriously thinking of sending myself my section 44 letter. I'm almost ready to throw the towel to be honest, I just feel to old for this now. Tomorrow we're in with no children, and until the 18th we have an average of 9 children a day. I going to see if my deputy wants to take over completely, and I'll just be admin from home and emergency cover is really needed. Expand It's a rubbish situation louby - but that does sound like a good idea - maybe Quote
louby loo Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:34, finleysmaid said: could we send a section 44 to our LEA's as they pay us to provide a service? Expand I might try, better than sending to myself! Does your link generate a letter even if you don't belong the education union - think I shall try... Quote
sunnyday Posted January 4, 2021 Author Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:34, finleysmaid said: could we send a section 44 to our LEA's as they pay us to provide a service? Expand Tempted to try it fm Quote
louby loo Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:37, sunnyday said: It's a rubbish situation louby - but that does sound like a good idea - maybe Expand It's sort of extra stressful as my husband really doesn't want me working. Quote
sunnyday Posted January 4, 2021 Author Posted January 4, 2021 Do any of you 'do' facebook - anything being said on their EY pages - petitions or anything? Quote
sunnyday Posted January 4, 2021 Author Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:42, louby loo said: It's sort of extra stressful as my husband really doesn't want me working. Expand I completely understand Andy's position on this one Quote
louby loo Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:43, sunnyday said: Do any of you 'do' facebook - anything being said on their EY pages - petitions or anything? Expand I signed an open letter to Gav. Quote
louby loo Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:34, finleysmaid said: could we send a section 44 to our LEA's as they pay us to provide a service? Expand Actually, I wonder what would happen if we invited our local council to come in and do a covid safety compliance check? I'm pretty sure we'd fail because our hall is pretty rough 😳 Quote
finleysmaid Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 22:55, louby loo said: Actually, I wonder what would happen if we invited our local council to come in and do a covid safety compliance check? I'm pretty sure we'd fail because our hall is pretty rough 😳 Expand our chair came in today to make sure we were alright...we were just talking about health and safety when her 3 year old licked the coat stand ! 😂 2 Quote
louby loo Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 23:11, finleysmaid said: our chair came in today to make sure we were alright...we were just talking about health and safety when her 3 year old licked the coat stand ! 😂 Expand Classic! That's cheered me up no end 🤣 1 Quote
Mouseketeer Posted January 4, 2021 Posted January 4, 2021 On 04/01/2021 at 21:30, louby loo said: I'm seriously thinking of sending myself my section 44 letter Expand This made me lol ...good plan! I am shocked and truly believe this is a finance decision and nothing else, my county have emailed this morning to say no funding if chn don’t attend (did they already know what was coming?) and telling parents this feels like I’m blackmailing them to keep their chn in when really the more that pull out at the moment the better but it would be a massive financial hit if the funding decision isn’t changed ....and what’s one more U-turn going to matter 🤔 1 Quote
sunnyday Posted January 5, 2021 Author Posted January 5, 2021 Late last night Mr S said "look love, I can't put you in the position where you have to stop work for my sake, I know how much you love the pre-school, I can get a caravan and put in the garden and stay out there so that you can go back"...... That brought me to my senses very quickly - that is not happening - I am not going back until the schools are allowed to reopen - I have emailed my parents this morning to tell them 3 1 Quote
zigzag Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 12:57, sunnyday said: Late last night Mr S said "look love, I can't put you in the position where you have to stop work for my sake, I know how much you love the pre-school, I can get a caravan and put in the garden and stay out there so that you can go back"...... That brought me to my senses very quickly - that is not happening - I am not going back until the schools are allowed to reopen - I have emailed my parents this morning to tell them Expand Ahh bless his heart. Good for you Sunnyday. Xx 1 Quote
finleysmaid Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 We have taken the decision to close. My staff are not happy and are feeling compromised...they would do it for me but i don't want them to do that. Things are worse now than in March. I cannot ask them to risk their lives for the sake of a low paid job!😪 2 Quote
zigzag Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 So those who are closing what are you doing about paying staff or not? 1 Quote
Jackanory Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 I am currently working from home, reading this thread with tears and interest. My husband has Covid, I have symptoms, I cannot fault my staff and their dedication but I feel such responsibility and don't know what to do for the best, the lack of information because of the last minute change has screwed us all over. 1 Quote
sunnyday Posted January 5, 2021 Author Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 14:19, zigzag said: So those who are closing what are you doing about paying staff or not? Expand That will depend on the situation with funding - have had a conversation with my staff (never comfortable really referring to these dear friends and colleagues as staff) - they understand that no funding = no pay Quote
sunnyday Posted January 5, 2021 Author Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 14:28, Jackanory said: I am currently working from home, reading this thread with tears and interest. My husband has Covid, I have symptoms, I cannot fault my staff and their dedication but I feel such responsibility and don't know what to do for the best, the lack of information because of the last minute change has screwed us all over. Expand So sorry to read this - sending every good wish to you and your husband 1 Quote
sunnyday Posted January 5, 2021 Author Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 14:15, finleysmaid said: We have taken the decision to close. My staff are not happy and are feeling compromised...they would do it for me but i don't want them to do that. Things are worse now than in March. I cannot ask them to risk their lives for the sake of a low paid job!😪 Expand My feelings exactly fm We should not be in this position at all - sick to death of being so undervalued 2 2 Quote
louby loo Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 Listening to the news now, and I'm now very concerned. 1 in 50 have the virus. This is an average- so I'm guessing in my area this is possibly higher 3 Quote
zigzag Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 17:17, louby loo said: Listening to the news now, and I'm now very concerned. 1 in 50 have the virus. This is an average- so I'm guessing in my area this is possibly higher Expand It’s really shocking! And 60,000 new cases today. Quote
louby loo Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 18:11, zigzag said: It’s really shocking! And 60,000 new cases today. Expand I'm really struggling to not put a sarcastic post on our Facebook page 🤣 On the whole our parents have been fantastic in supporting us- but you always have one and they like to try and stir others up! 1 Quote
zigzag Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 I was warned last night in a nice round about way to keep my mouth shut and not say what I think! I’m staying off our messenger page and watching with interest as the chairperson deals with the parents. Quote
louby loo Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 19:39, zigzag said: I was warned last night in a nice round about way to keep my mouth shut and not say what I think! I’m staying off our messenger page and watching with interest as the chairperson deals with the parents. Expand I guess having a committee to deal with is just stressful as being the owner Quote
sunnyday Posted January 5, 2021 Author Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 19:44, louby loo said: I guess having a committee to deal with is just stressful as being the owner Expand More so I reckon Quote
Mouseketeer Posted January 5, 2021 Posted January 5, 2021 On 05/01/2021 at 19:55, sunnyday said: More so I reckon Expand I’m with you there! 2 staff have said today for different reasons that they don’t want to work, we’ve had nearly half our chn pulled out and I will go into ratio when needed so doable until parents change their minds and more want to come back, no idea at this point if we will get a U-turn on funding and no idea if they are entitled to furlough or have to take it as unpaid leave, I’m guessing furlough is out as one won’t be available to work if required anyway and not even sure we’d have anything much to claim furlough from unless funding doesn’t come through, I guess I should be reading up about it rather than being on here .....is it half term yet? :’( 1 1 Quote
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