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Hi there, I'm hoping for a bit of advice and to find out what other settings do.

 

We are looking at having some 'bank staff' on our books to cover us for staff absences if they occur, but are not sure on what basis they should be working for us and wondered if other settings have bank workers and how you deal with it.

 

The work is likely to be very occasional and by no means guaranteed and of course, they would be within their rights to turn down a day if it were offered to them.

 

We are not sure if they would be classed as "workers" or "employees" and wasn't sure whether they would need a contract with SSP etc in it and if we should put them on our payroll or ask them to invoice us.

 

Any thoughts? Any opinions advice appreciated.

 

Thanks

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We just call on ours when needed. It's just a case of text round until I find someone.

 

We do give them a payslip at the end of the month though and pay into their account by bacs, the same as the other staff. They get a p60 at the end of the year aswell. If they have another job you need to BR their tax code, although one of ours has allocated some of her tax code to us so we don't have to tax her.

 

Do you mean holiday not SSP. If a bank staff had done lots of cover I would give them some holiday pay, you would only need to pay them sick if they had earnt over £115 pw for the previous xx week (not sure how many)

 

although most bank staff end up working for us more permanently.

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Thanks, so you do treat them as employees rather than as a casual worker or self employed person.

 

As an employee they need a contract, and I wasn't sure about what clauses we had to have in there, I did mean SSP as I believe it is compulsory to mention it in their employment contract, but I suppose we can just say that they "may be" entitled to SSP, although in reality they are not likely to have earnt enough. Holiday is also a compulsory clause.

 

I just worry about employment law issues and getting something wrong! We've never hired a bank staff person before.

 

Is the contract you give to bank staff the same as you would give to a permanent employee doing longer hours?

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Our bank staff have casual worker contracts, you have to ensure they have a two week break of doing any work every three months (think it is off top of my head) not including holidays if term time only. This is because if they work continuously for long period their employment rights turn into that of a temporary worker not a casual worker.

We look back at every half term point and calculate HP due and Pay the amount due on the following pay day.

In contract it just states sick pay is statutory and holiday pay will be accureed and discharged at set points in the year.

The contract we have is different to the temporary / permanent ones as its very small, it says about hours been adhoc they have right to turn down work offered, it asks them to notify us if they wish to no longer be on the bank staff list, then all other general stuff like DBS etc etc

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Someone has offered to be 'staff bank' for us, L3 qualification, DBS + update service, out of employment for a few years but lots of recent experience parent helping in Rec, didn't want to apply for position as didn't want as many hours but would be great to have someone to call in and be able to give staff some training hours or cover sickness, so thank you for all the info already here and

foreveryoung for the contract example but what safeguarding training can I get her on ? Are bank staff allowed to attend training as other staff can ? Thanks

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Thank you, they recently have an L1 safeguarding certificate from governor training....wonder if that is acceptable to then do an L2 update, the not allowing them to do any intimate care of be unsupervised is not really a problem it's more about being able to call on someone as cover to maintain ratios, even though we have a couple of part timers who all tell you at interview they are happy and able to cover staff illness of training they are very quick with reasons why they can't when you really need them :-/

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Your welcome, we are lucky to fact we have funds so volunteers and bank staff have access to training just as full time staff. They undergo Inhouse training by me and do online training and on the rare opportunities out of house training. I have been in the position where the staff member Ofsted observed was a casual bank staff member which highlighted to me I need to put just as much into them as other staff as every child deserves the best quality interactions. Luckily the lady in question did great just fell short on sustained shared thinking.

I get them all to do good hygiene and safeguarding as a basis then go from there, as I say though we're lucky to be able to afford it, ;)

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Mouseketeer I would get them to complete the safeguarding training level 1 online and yes you can still send them on face to face training as they can come under your setting,

What is the safeguarding training level 1? I didn't realise that there was an online course they could do, do you have a link?

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Level 1 is a gov course in our county, L2 is what all staff do and L3 (2day) is for safeguard leads and deputy SL.

 

I have had an applicant show me a safeguarding cert from online training today that they do in their county, but can't remember who it was with 'virtual college' I think it said if that means anything ?

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Level 1 is a gov course in our county, L2 is what all staff do and L3 (2day) is for safeguard leads and deputy SL.

 

I have had an applicant show me a safeguarding cert from online training today that they do in their county, but can't remember who it was with 'virtual college' I think it said if that means anything ?

 

The PSLA have an on-line training website called Educare, they do have a safeguarding course I wonder if that would do for volunteers & bank staff rather than them having to give up time to attend the local authority courses

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Thanks kiddywink, we are members of PSLA but never think to look at their training.....I've never been able to figure out how to sign other staff up to their online training, I'm sure someone told me ages ago, will have to take a look :-)

I've managed it ... just about - it's a most un-user friendly system! Totally understand why you gave up ;)

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Thanks kiddywink, we are members of PSLA but never think to look at their training.....I've never been able to figure out how to sign other staff up to their online training, I'm sure someone told me ages ago, will have to take a look :-)

It isn't a particularly user friendly system or intuitive at all, but is quite useful once you get used to it! To sign people up you need to "Edit Group" there is a link at the top right hand side of the home page.

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