currycraver Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Hi folks I am now on mudule 3 of my degree. I am interested in finding literature on sustained shared thinking and wondered if anyone could recommend any books or articles. I am also keen to use this at a meeting for staff and wondered if anyone had any ideas on resources such as video clips to support discussions on this topic. Thank you in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted January 22, 2011 Share Posted January 22, 2011 Marion Dowling has produced good materials on SST for Early Education, including a dvd, quite reasonably priced. You can see the details here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
currycraver Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Marion Dowling has produced good materials on SST for Early Education, including a dvd, quite reasonably priced. You can see the details here. Thank you Happymaz, will order it later. A dvd will vary the learning a little Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSB Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 Hi sorry for the delay with this - I had some problems with the video but I think it may help - do let me know if you want more explanation: http://www.madeinme.com/blog/sustained-sha...1/#comment-2141 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted February 5, 2011 Share Posted February 5, 2011 What a great video - perfect for supporting practitioners who might not be confident supporting children's role play! The point I especially liked in the commentary was the way it made explicit the important difference between asking questions that make children think and those that test children to see if they can give the 'correct' answer that the practitioner already knows, in any case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upsy Daisy Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Well that was a bit of an education for me! I'd always thought of SST in terms of working together to solve problems. I'm not sure why I made that assumption but it's nice to know that my practice encompasses more SST than I realised! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 On my EYPS course, evidencing Sustained Shared Thinking was flagged as really difficult for most practitioners. But for me, this is what I do all day with children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hali Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 i agree on a day to day basis you do it - but whats the best way of evidencing it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verona Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Currycraver, did you order the book and DVD and if you did what do you think of it? Is it suitable for sharing with staff? Sue J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upsy Daisy Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 i agree on a day to day basis you do it - but whats the best way of evidencing it? Video? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted March 27, 2011 Share Posted March 27, 2011 Video? I think hali was asking in relation to EYPS, Upsy. Unfortunately there isn't enough time in the assessment visit to look at videos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSB Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I think hali was asking in relation to EYPS, Upsy. Unfortunately there isn't enough time in the assessment visit to look at videos. I'm not at all convinced there is really any need for all this 'evidencing' - if anyone is concerned to see if it is hapening then they should get off their ar***e and come and take a look - but that is another issue... If you want (or really have) to show how good you are at SST then surely the best way is to use a video camera - most mobile phones do it and a lot of preschools have video cameras that the children can use too. Equally - recording the dialogue and transcribing a bit of it will do the trick...one advantage in doing both these things is that you could share the examples with colleagues here (for example) - and they can learn from them too. Whats important here really is just the SST - that it is happening - and that we all recognise that lots of SST makes a very real difference to children's future lives... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upsy Daisy Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Ok, I know I'm an EYPS virgin so there's probably loads that will go over my head here but surely that sort of high quality interaction between child and practitioner is so fundamental to good practice that without it the rest of the evidence would be pointless anyway. Or am I being idealistic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSB Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 Ok, I know I'm an EYPS virgin so there's probably loads that will go over my head here but surely that sort of high quality interaction between child and practitioner is so fundamental to good practice that without it the rest of the evidence would be pointless anyway. Or am I being idealistic? ...I suppose its only idealistic if you think it is happening everywhere all the time...Its actually quite hard to do if there are a lot of children and not too many staff - when I first started working with 4 year olds in Coventry I needed an extra 2 hours sleep every night - the constant interaction - concentration to listen was exhausting. But as you say it is fundamental so we just do our best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sue R Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 How did I miss this?? That video is just perfect for training our girls! And for showing them they are really already doing it, just didn't realise, which will be an ego-booster Thanks, John! Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upsy Daisy Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 ...I suppose its only idealistic if you think it is happening everywhere all the time...Its actually quite hard to do if there are a lot of children and not too many staff - when I first started working with 4 year olds in Coventry I needed an extra 2 hours sleep every night - the constant interaction - concentration to listen was exhausting. But as you say it is fundamental so we just do our best. No, I wouldn't expect it to happen everywhere all of the time, however lovely that would be, but I would expect it to be happening for some of the time in a setting where an EYP is leading the practice. I like to think I manage the type of interaction shown on the video at some point in each session I spend in the nursery where I work occasionally. I couldn't spend all my childminding day doing it but again I wouldn't be happy if I didn't feel we'd fitted in a few minutes here and there each day. Maybe that's why I fall asleep in the chair every evening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted March 28, 2011 Share Posted March 28, 2011 I'm not at all convinced there is really any need for all this 'evidencing' - if anyone is concerned to see if it is hapening then they should get off their ar***e and come and take a look - but that is another issue... EYPS candidates have to provide the evidence that their practice meets the standards though, John. A necessary evil I believe if we want to gain the status, or any other qualification come to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 I was lucky enought to have Iram Siraj Blatchford at our most recent EYP network development day, speaking about Sustained Shard thinking and what is the difference between quality and effective?? WONDERFUL!!!!! I used feedback from this day along with the Marion Dowling materials, but haven't, as yet, investiagted whether Iram has any published materials on this subject.. appreciate links or titles if anyone has... OH...and I have a new job YAY!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted March 29, 2011 Share Posted March 29, 2011 Congratulations on your new job, luciebythesea! You can see a full list of Iram Siraj Blatchford's publications here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted April 2, 2011 Share Posted April 2, 2011 (edited) I was lucky enought to have Iram Siraj Blatchford at our most recent EYP network development day, speaking about Sustained Shard thinking and what is the difference between quality and effective?? WONDERFUL!!!!! I used feedback from this day along with the Marion Dowling materials, but haven't, as yet, investiagted whether Iram has any published materials on this subject.. appreciate links or titles if anyone has... OH...and I have a new job YAY!!!!!! Hi Lucie I was lucky enough to be at a recent EYP network development day with Iram Siraj Blatchford, possibly the same one in January? We were sent some information following the event from our local Early Years consulant. I have been sharing the knowledge I gained with colleagues, and I look forward to looking at some of the materials mentioned to help me explain more fully what I mean. I used this techique recently with a spontaneous role-play that ended up with the whole group being involved but I was particularly pleased that this included a child that has difficulty verbally interacting with other children. Let's just say it was a real light bulb moment for me and a really lovely session for the children, and actually something incredibly simple and effective, especially in a role play situation. It's not that I haven't engaged in role play before with children but the development day acted as a reminder of the benefits of SST, and the important thing is not to take over the play but extend in places. This role play was far more beneficial, especially to the child mentioned, than many of the activities we planned to try to support the child and the child continues to make good progress. To me this was a turning point. I'm off to explore the materials mentioned as a visual aid for colleagues. Thanks The video clip posted above was the clip we saw on the development day - and now I am embarrassed because I hadn't made the connection ! Edited April 2, 2011 by Deb Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnSB Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 What a great video - perfect for supporting practitioners who might not be confident supporting children's role play! The point I especially liked in the commentary was the way it made explicit the important difference between asking questions that make children think and those that test children to see if they can give the 'correct' answer that the practitioner already knows, in any case. I just noticed the link for this video has been lost - here is a new one. Its still the best illustration I have seen on video. https://youtu.be/7Lg7Oan5iN4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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