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That’s good she could help work it out. Hope you will be ok with the amount you’ll lose overall.

it’s a bit of a minefield isn’t it?! but I think the calculation of what you’d be eligible for @Mouseketeer is only based on the proportion of fee income to government funding income and then 80% of that proportion applied to your wage bill. Still, the new portal will illuminate us all no doubt...

From my reading of the guidance, I don’t think it will be as simple receiving 80% of the private fee income. It depends on the *proportion* of fee income to government funding; it wouldn’t be calculated on the actual private fee income. For example, if you received £1000 in private fees in February and £10000 in government funding the same month, you’d be eligible for 80% of 10% of your wage bill. Let’s say your wage bill was £5000 you’d be eligible for £400. But you’d be losing £1000 private fee income. So you’d be £600 worse off. If you received 80% of the private fee income however, you’d be eligible for £800 ie double. And you’d only be £200 worse off.

It's really confusing, apart from the issue of changing the guidance at very short notice. I've already furloughed my staff and now think I may need to unfurlough them? And the amounts to claim will be tiny like you say @zigzag especially with the half term week in Feb. For term time only settings in particular, not being able to carry forward funding from the summer term to help plug the gap in the autumn term will be a real problem. I notice the government are 'developing' a portal or something so we can check how much we may be able to claim. I wonder when that will be available...

https://www.workingmums.co.uk/childcare-providers-concerned-about-furlough-guidance-changes/

Yes I think the same as you Dennie. Like someone else said, normally the summer term funding (which is the highest term funding) helps to plug the deficit which is always there in the autumn term. But it won’t be available for this purpose this year. Pretty depressing.

Apart from the fact it is really late in the day to be ‘clarifying’ this (having previously strongly implied the opposite), it doesn’t seem to take into account costs other than staffing (rent for example) or the fact that many settings can’t claim a £10000 grant as they are not eligible.

Have you all seen the latest guidance? Now looks like getting the Early Years Free Entitlement Funding probably means not being eligible for the JRS unless a lot of your income comes from private fees. Unless I've misunderstood. Which is possible!! I've only skim read it as it's Friday night. "The early years section of the new guidance confirms that a private provider should only furlough employees, and therefore seek support through the Coronavirus Job Retention Scheme (CJRS), if they meet the following conditions: the employee works in an area of business where services are temporarily not required and where their salary is not covered by public funding; the employee would otherwise be made redundant or laid off; the employee is not involved in delivering provision that has already been funded (free entitlement funding); (where appropriate) the employee is not required to deliver provision for a child of a critical worker and/or vulnerable child; and the grant from the CJRS would not be duplicative to other public grants received and would not lead to financial reserves being created. If it is difficult to distinguish whether staff are funded through free entitlement or private income for the purposes of meeting the first three conditions as listed above, then an early years provider can access the CJRS to cover up to the proportion of its paybill which could be considered to have been paid for from that provider’s private income.This would typically be income received from ‘parent-paid’ hours, and excludes all income from the government’s free entitlements (or ‘DSG income’) for all age groups. The guidance includes an illustration of how this would work in practice" Here is the actual guidance https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-financial-support-for-education-early-years-and-childrens-social-care/coronavirus-covid-19-financial-support-for-education-early-years-and-childrens-social-care?utm_source=Foundation+Years&utm_campaign=d97a9fa42e-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_03_21_05_01_COPY_01&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_8f9a6de061-d97a9fa42e-321568377&mc_cid=d97a9fa42e&mc_eid=1c2323b3c8 scroll down for the sector specific guidance for Early Years.