Lynne28 Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Hi Everyone, I wonder if you have any thoughts on this: I took over a pre-school Sept 2014 with existing staff members, we are a very small setting with only 4 members of staff and 3 bank staff. When I took on existing staff members, one member of staff holds REGISTERED GENERAL NURSE certificate, I have her certificate and this was in 1981, I was told that she was classed as a level 3 because of her qualification in nursing and the other owners have said Ofsted were happy with this. when I look at the qualification guide this is not there. I am now very confused and we don't have any money for extra staff and are already over ratio but if me or other manager is out of ratio this could potentially mean that the manager is the only one with a qualification which is breaking the statutory framework. We are supposed to have a level 3 with atleast half of other staff being either a level 2 or 3. Could somebody please help and advise me on where I can check if the qualification still stands. I still have paperwork given to me by the old owners from West Sussex county council training subscription stated that she has a level 3. We are due to have a Ofsted and just need to be clear about this before they come so any help will be appreciated Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wildflowers Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 A nursing qualification used to be accepted, but isn't since a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inge Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 I have a nursing qualification and it was not classed as relevant.. and I also had children's nursing . I think it was ok for a while as I had a letter saying I was suitable from Ofsted but with all the constant changes they were not happy with it. One inspection it was questioned and they gave me time to do a level 3 . As I had a lot of experience college helped me complete it in a few months.. that was a few years ago now.. May be different if you have paperwork to say she has level 3.. They change things so often it is impossible to keep track, and unless they actually tell you how is anyone expected to know what has changed.. I tended to 'bury my head in the sand' and deny any knowledge that things had changed as I had not been informed.. and work on it from there.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynne28 Posted July 11, 2015 Author Share Posted July 11, 2015 Thankyou for your help on this. I have been checking and if you have been registered before 1 September 2014 a registered nurse may be counted in the qualified staff ratio at level 3 who are designayed as follows on the revised nursing and midwifery council register foe nurses, midwifes and specialist community public health nurses (SCPHN). Nurses register sub part 2 .RN7 General nurse level 2 not sure what this means if any one has ideas please help. I must say that having a member of staff with general nursing certificate for me enhances my provision and I will feel very let down with the system if they can take this away from our setting. It is just as bad taking away old qualifications which I know they talked about years ago and the NNEB, which wouldn't have been right and no-body should be allowed to take away a qualification once it has been given. I will fight this all the way like I say no money for extra staff and what else can I do Many thanks once again Please reply if you have any info on this that may or may not help, just need to get more info just incase Ofsted do turn up in the last week of term Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 11, 2015 Share Posted July 11, 2015 Hello, I have been researching this as I was taken on eight years ago because of my RGN and RSCN qualifications and was considered a level five. With all the recent changes seems I'm not anymore. I have been supervisor for 6 years now. It was so hard to find anybody who could answer my queries. I just got fed up of researching it, so..... I finally thought just bite the bullet and have just started my level 3 so I can rest easy that I have 'done the right thing'. My staff find it quite funny that I am doing my diary work and have my first assessment on Monday! I don't mind, quite good to kick the old brain cells back into action! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynne28 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 (edited) Hello, I have been researching this as I was taken on eight years ago because of my RGN and RSCN qualifications and was considered a level five. With all the recent changes seems I'm not anymore. I have been supervisor for 6 years now. It was so hard to find anybody who could answer my queries. I just got fed up of researching it, so..... I finally thought just bite the bullet and have just started my level 3 so I can rest easy that I have 'done the right thing'. My staff find it quite funny that I am doing my diary work and have my first assessment on Monday! I don't mind, quite good to kick the old brain cells back into action! Hello, I am finding this extremely frustrating, if it was me I would do what you are doing, however this is a staff member that has been employed by the previous owners for over 20 years, she is in her fifties and I am sure that she wouldn't want to retrain, even thou she is very capable of achieving higher than a level 3. She is brilliant at her job Congratulations on starting your new level 3 and I am sure you will sail through it, when I did mine I learnt so much and it lets you reflect on your own practice which is a very good thing Many thanks for your help in this Edited July 12, 2015 by Lynne28 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inge Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 I did my level 3 in my 50s, when I could not find answers - with a lot of experience it was more a paper exercise really.. I remained as manager / in ratio while doing it .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynne28 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 Hi, I my self was in my late 40's when I did my level 3 and like you say it is a matter of a paperwork exercise and I really enjoyed it to be fair, however I can not force my staff to do their level 2 or 3 that have been employed by me for a year and well over 20 years experience within the setting that I took over, but I am still in a dilemma of not having enough qualified staff in ratio. There is nothing wrong with adding to your qualifications late in life however if they don't want to then should they be forced too. Many thanks once again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted July 12, 2015 Share Posted July 12, 2015 No they most certainly shouldn't be forced too, however it's sometimes hard then to keep within the statutory guidance. Up until two years ago I had the most marvellous practitioner with over 23 years experience but only having a level 2 on paper. I would go for the wonderful experience hands down if I had a say. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynne28 Posted July 12, 2015 Author Share Posted July 12, 2015 No they most certainly shouldn't be forced too, however it's sometimes hard then to keep within the statutory guidance. Up until two years ago I had the most marvellous practitioner with over 23 years experience but only having a level 2 on paper. I would go for the wonderful experience hands down if I had a say. Exactly so would I, she is an absolute gem and I know she is very capable, but like you say its hard for me to keep within the statutory guidance and like said I do have paperwork for when I took her on with a level 3. I am so cross about this especially as we are a very small setting with great staff, two level 3's and one staff that may be classed as a level 2 or 3 and one other unqualified. however again has over twenty years experience. So this means if any of the level 3's are out of ratio e,g, courses or journal time, we may be under ratio, with one level 3 one unqualified and the other may or may not be level 2 or 3. Very confusing but think I am going to stick to my guns and say as far as I am concerned she was taken on with paperwork that states she has a level 3 from west Sussex so she has a level 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynne28 Posted July 15, 2015 Author Share Posted July 15, 2015 Hi My daughter found this regarding a Registered General Nurse that has been registered before Sept 2014 http://www.education.gov.uk/eypqd/faqs.shtml and I am now convinced that my lady has a level 3 within childcare, she can prove she was registered so I have copied all her paperwork with her permission ready to show Ofsted if they turn up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flowlow Posted July 16, 2015 Share Posted July 16, 2015 HI all I am looking to take on someone new and have a CV from someone who has massive amounts of experience such as: PGCE in teaching (not early years) has worked in homeless day centre in central London, time working in family centre and working closely with vulnerable families. Experience of CAF assessments and referrals huge amounts of Safeguarding experience. 'Created a scheme of work for the Social and Personal Education syllabus based upon the Every Child Matters Agenda' however no qualification that is 'early years' specific. So do they count in ratio and as qualified??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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