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was wondering how other schools are arranging the 3 hour nursery entitlement into the school day.

 

It is being proposed that we are to be starting in January 8.45 - 11.45 then I get 30 minutes lunch, afternoon session runs from 12.15 - 3.15. I will get a floating 30 minute lunch to take as and when I see fit and necessary breaks also.

 

Any examples of how other schools are operating would be useful. I would not like the nusery staff conditions and hours of working to be different from the rest of the school staff.

 

Thanks

 

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This year we still have some full time children but our morning children come at 9 -12, they bring their lunch and we break for lunch at 11.30. They are then picked up at 12pm.

 

The afternoon children can come FROM 12.15 but HAVE to be in by 12.45 but they have to have had their lunch at home.

 

Staff lunch is from 12 - 12.45, there are two TAs with the children but we are usually in nursery anyway if needed. All the children play out in the playground.

 

At 12.45 they can choose to play inside or outside. This works well for us and school finishes at 3.15.

 

Other schools are trying to have children leaving at 12 and coming at 12 which seems difficult (their afternoon children bring their lunch to eat when they get in)

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As a pathfinder county we have been offering 3 hour provision for 2 years now and it works well with us.

 

morning nursery is 9 -12

 

afternoon 12 -3.

 

we use the hour from 11.30 -12.30 as lunch time for the children, and this can be counted into the 3 hour entitlement.

 

Parents know they can stay, but they don't have to (all but one child does) but if a morning child pays £1 they can stay for an hour long lunch rather than just half an hour.

 

Same for the afternooners they can come at 12 with lunch or 12.30 if they have lunch at home.

 

Those who need a little longer for lunch can come in at 11.30 if they want to.

 

I have my lunch break during this hour and have lunch club staff who come in.

 

Had we not have incorporated lunch into the 3 hour equation we would not have been able to open /close in line with school times.

 

The comings and goings at 12 have never been a problem although it did at first seem a poor idea to have some finishing and some starting!!!!!!

 

Hope this helps! :o

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was wondering how other schools are arranging the 3 hour nursery entitlement into the school day.

 

It is being proposed that we are to be starting in January 8.45 - 11.45 then I get 30 minutes lunch, afternoon session runs from 12.15 - 3.15. I will get a floating 30 minute lunch to take as and when I see fit and necessary breaks also.

 

Any examples of how other schools are operating would be useful. I would not like the nusery staff conditions and hours of working to be different from the rest of the school staff.

 

Thanks

 

Cloudy

 

 

We are part of a Primary school and started the 3hour provision of mornings and afternoons in our Nursery in September. Morning session 8.40 to 11.40 afternoon session 12.15 to 3.15. We have 26 children who are going to start school in September 2010 in the morning session and are phasing in the younger children when they are 3 in the afternoons. As as teacher I have 1 hour for lunch 11.40 to 12.40. (that's if the children are collected on time and there are no issues with parents to dicuss). Each of the other nursery staff takes 1/2 an hour, one from 11.30 to 12.00 then the other from 11.50 to 12.10. We also have another member of the team who just covers for 1/2 an hour each day 12.10 to 1.40. The afternoon children bring in a packed lunch, so we are using our extra 1/2 an hour to socialise and help them to each their lunch. This is working really well it was a bit confusing at first to set up. As a teacher I am working more hours than I was when I was teaching in recpetion - I start earlier, no morning break and loose 10mins extra for lunch. It all adds up at the end of the week and I am noticing that I am tied. I am lucky that I have a great nursery team and fantastic kids who make it all worthwhile. Hope all of this makes sense :oxD

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I run a 39 place nursery unit attached to a school. We have done 8-45 till 11-45 and 12-15 till 3-15. We have had cover to allow the 3 nursery staff to have their lunch in shifts (40 mins max). I am afraid moral has reached a real low as we have only 15mins together before the children arrive (my NNEB's are on a 8-30 to 3-30 contract), no planning time together and a max of 20mins to get sorted between sessions. We are changing our sessions to 8-30 till 11-30 and 12-30 till 3-30. My NNEB's are prepared to work for a bit longer without pay in order to get some time together over lunch. It is very hard and I am finding that I am spending about 10 to 11 hours at school in order to try and keep up with records for all 78 children, displays, planning, sorting resources and doing all the admissions and nursery paperwork. The increase to 15 hours has certainly had a huge inpact on us all.

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I run a 39 place nursery unit attached to a school. We have done 8-45 till 11-45 and 12-15 till 3-15. We have had cover to allow the 3 nursery staff to have their lunch in shifts (40 mins max). I am afraid moral has reached a real low as we have only 15mins together before the children arrive (my NNEB's are on a 8-30 to 3-30 contract), no planning time together and a max of 20mins to get sorted between sessions. We are changing our sessions to 8-30 till 11-30 and 12-30 till 3-30. My NNEB's are prepared to work for a bit longer without pay in order to get some time together over lunch. It is very hard and I am finding that I am spending about 10 to 11 hours at school in order to try and keep up with records for all 78 children, displays, planning, sorting resources and doing all the admissions and nursery paperwork. The increase to 15 hours has certainly had a huge inpact on us all.

 

(Hi dont know what happened to my previous messasge it's my first time on the forum.) I am also teaching in a maintained nursery unit and have extended nursery provision. I feel very disheartened about the whole EYFS and lack of supoort from colleagues in KS1. Everyday I am working 10 hours plus and it is starting to affect my home life too. I have emailed OU today for re training, I have been a early years teacher for 10 years and as much as I love being with the children there is just more and more paperwork to complete and no support. I have some children who are at nursery for 5 terms before reception, my line manager pulled me up about highlighting the eyfs record - saying children should only be achieving these goals at the end of reception. I pointed out the length of time individuals had attended the setting but no she wasnt having any of it :o What is th point????? Soz to be a moaning minnie .

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have had meeting with head about extended hours. Discussed hours, new contracts for NNEBs, then got onto the fact that I would be doing more contact hours than others. Reply was as ateacher you can not refuse and head will discuss this with personel. Good job I have a supportive team in the nursery! As I was told once before by same head-It is called commitment!

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Hi

Just to let you know how things are going. at the moment I'm in total shock. I enquired whether my head had found out from personel about the extended hours as I had worked it out that I wouild be doing more than 1265 hours. Well, the head did some phoning around and discovered that i would be doing a lot more and that they would be sorting out some time/cover for me! I'm still reeling from this as I really thought I would have a fight on my hands.

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Hi all, my school are currently trying to work out the best options for extended hours to start Sept 2010. I was just wondering if this is a statutory requirement and where I can find the link for this. If not, I can't understand why we are doing it! maybe I'm being a bit dim!!! :o

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Hi all, my school are currently trying to work out the best options for extended hours to start Sept 2010. I was just wondering if this is a statutory requirement and where I can find the link for this. If not, I can't understand why we are doing it! maybe I'm being a bit dim!!! :o

 

 

Hi Kathy, the current code of practice details the extended hours from 2010, although some LAs have been doing this for 2-3 years already.

We are awaiting the revised code of practice which I think is due anytime soon now.

 

This is a particularly difficult one for schools offering two sessions daily, in my old school, our children were all full time and so it wasn't a problem.

 

I would look at some of the suggestions given here from those who have been doing this already and see which one may work for you in your circumstances.

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I have just found out that Teaching Staff in a local nursery are being paid additional hours at supply rate as they are exceeding the 1265 directed hours of working. Are there any other school based teaching staff out there who are receiving any additional payments or time off in lieu.

Their Nursery Nurses have also had an increase in hours.

The HT who runs the nursery says this is covered by the additional funding they received for being open for the 15 hrs am/pm. They do not over lap their sessions but have a soft start/finish for parents who have other pick ups at school.

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I am a nursery teacher and within my setting we are offering the extended provison so all chidlren access their 15 hrs it has been difficult but we have managed to sort it so it works for us!

My son is starting at another nursery and it doesn't look as though they will be providing the 15hrs carrying on with the 12.5 they already teach, some children will be able to access the 15hrs but this will only be given if parents buy a school dinner and is not open to all children as they can't accomodate all the nursery children for lunch! I didn't think this was allowed but can someone else let me know their thoughts

 

thank you

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some children will be able to access the 15hrs but this will only be given if parents buy a school dinner and is not open to all children as they can't accomodate all the nursery children for lunch! I didn't think this was allowed but can someone else let me know their thoughts

The code of practice says that providers must not make parents pay for any services in order to access their 15 hour entitlement. However settings do not have to provide the 15 hours if they can't (eg if they can't open for longer because they don't own their own premises) - in this case it is up to the Local Authority to broker partnerships so that parents who want to access their child's full entitlement can share the 15 hours with another setting.

 

Maz

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really comforting to hear like minded passionate, proud EYFS practitioners who are being so over worked that there is a real danger of these people not being in early years anymore, feel very strongly that the three hours is the right thing to do but it SHOULD NOT be at the expense of already overworked staff. I too have a very hard working team, who do not leave until five, often after other teachers in KS's have left, and yet when we question the hours, our commitment to the profession is questioned, just wish the money had been put in to allow us to do our job properly. i too am working 10- sometimes 12 hour days, exhausted when i get in, still having to think about updating learning journeys, setting up and indoor and outdoor environment with enhanced provision, support new members of staff etc etc etc....all of it you all know.....We currently do 830-1130 and 1230-3.30, my lunch tends to be fifteen minutes, after i have had professional discussions with staff, spoke to parents, set up, done displays etc etc. I think I need to show my family this particular post as they think it is just me who is over conscientious and cannot believe the hours i work!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just so tired and feeling guilty that I have actually had a week off........! Is it right for a group of people to feel like this??? Out of interest, I actually considered two years ago to work in Germany for service children's education, they do nursery b9-12 and then the afternoons are for key worker files/planning /non contact time etc. To me this is the way that our day should be organised, we'd be better teachers as we'd have time to do all seven million aspects of our job............. rant over..........for now!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We have been implementing the 3 hour provision since September. (we were given £200 per child to implement it.) I was creative with staff- I offered half a day off per week + PPA time and employed a level 2 assistant. The teacher gets two sessions of PPA during which she can work from home if she wishes.

We open from 8.30 -11.30, 0ffering a light breakfast such as toast and fruit. Parents are able to bring their children any time during that first half hour. The second session runs from 12.30-3.30 again parents can pick their child up any time during that last half hour. (the main school finishes at 3.00pm so may parents pick up about 3.15.

 

Hope that this helps!

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We are a 40 place nursery.

We have just arranged our 15 hour provision for september and will be offering 8.30-11.30 then 12.15-3.15.

Our concern is that the unions advise that the teacher has no extra contact with the children, and that we mustn't exceed our 1265. However, we are not sure how to do this. We are offering the first 1/2 hour as a flexi start both morning and afternoon and are planning that the teacher has her release time then, but is this acceptable?

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I'm a nursery teacher working part-time (session time 9.00-11.30). I rarely leave before 1.30 cos of all the things I have to do. At the moment I work every morning in nursery and 1afternoon in KS1. I'm paid as 0.6. From Sept we will be offering extended hours and morning sessions will be 8.45-11.45 - apparently I will still be 0.6 and so my contract will not change!! - Can anyone advise - Marion? I have been on to Personnel who said, 'that doesn't sound right', and they're looking into it for me. If I hear anything I'll let you know.

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