Guest Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 Hi, i will have a little girl with Downs Syndrome in my Reception class in September and have been told that I will have to use the P scales to assess her , but Im sure |I've read somewhere that these are not appropriate at Foundation Stage level and I thought Birth to Three would be suitable. Does anyone know or is anyone currently using some form of assessment with an SEN child? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacquieL Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 i think that perahps the P scales will be OK with this child if she is SEN, as it will help you with targets and with report writing for her IEP. It may be that she is still within BTT and I would be inclined to do a bit of both. It will really depend on how you find her when you get her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfer Posted March 31, 2007 Share Posted March 31, 2007 We have assessed a child in Nursery who is working below Foundation Stage curriculum using the Pathways assessment which goes from birth. It was produced by our Visiting teacher service in Bham but I think it is available to buy. You can contact them on 0121 303 1790. Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sqpeg Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 Hello this is confusing because I am told no to P-Scales in the foundation stage by the specialist teaching service yet those in AEN dept who are gathering info for SEN want P-scale assesments by the staff working in early years O&A placements. So am confused because two depts in the same office block are giving confusing advice. However I have mentioned before in a thread to Peggy about the early support developmental guidance for children with Down Syndrome birth to three. This is a free publication and will try to find my file in moment for the contact details, if you are in Canterbury Thanet area I can get one to you as you should have one as a setting which is shared between you and parents. Personally I think P-scales are not necessary but something that has been developed specially, unique for a developing child with DS has got to be more appropriate within the birth to three framework. sqpeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 I attended county-led FSP moderation course last week - we were reminded again in no uncertain terms that P-scales are for children from end of year 1 and are most certainly not suitable for FS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sqpeg Posted April 1, 2007 Share Posted April 1, 2007 oh! just re read your post and realise the little girl is coming into reception - probally too early on a sunday morning for me, so over 3yrs Early Support (helping every child exceed) Developmental Journal it is a DfES publication ref: ES49 this publication is a developmental profile of a child with down syndome from birth to three. It has lots of charts and spaces for record keeping! These folders are supposed to be being given out to parents and carers but they are available to anyone. It has been put together by the down syndrome educational trust also their webb site and they are very helpful they have lots of resourses and ideas that are good htt://www.downsed.org/ sqpeg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 16, 2007 Share Posted May 16, 2007 Hi I teach a mixed class of Foundation and Key Stage 1 pupils in a special school - all pupils have a statement of SEN. We have been told from LA that we are NOT to assess FS pupils on P-Scales. Of course, once the pupils move to Key Stage 1, they will be assessed on P-Scales, so for the purposes of setting ourselves with a trackable baseline for future referernce and to calculate value added, we informally make p-level judgements at this stage. It was my understanding that this was the advice given to all FS practitioners, but it would seem that confusion remains. Nic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aunt Sally Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 Hi I teach a mixed class of Foundation and Key Stage 1 pupils in a special school - all pupils have a statement of SEN. We have been told from LA that we are NOT to assess FS pupils on P-Scales. Of course, once the pupils move to Key Stage 1, they will be assessed on P-Scales, so for the purposes of setting ourselves with a trackable baseline for future referernce and to calculate value added, we informally make p-level judgements at this stage. It was my understanding that this was the advice given to all FS practitioners, but it would seem that confusion remains. Nic I find this quite interesting because I too work with FS/ YR/ KS1 chldren in a special school all with statements and we are advised to use P Scales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magenta Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 We had a course on P scales last month. We were told not to use P scales until Y2, unless the child has a statement, then P scales are more appropriate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundia Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 It does seem to depend on the LA. We have a child of reception age who will be starting a special school in September but who will remain technically in 'reception year even though he will be of year one age. We have been advised that he can be assessed against the FSP next year. If children really cant score on the FSP, then something like the Pathways that Sue mentioned is much better than using p scales which are not intended for FS children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 17, 2007 Share Posted May 17, 2007 I was told on a course categorically NOT to use P scales in Reception, and that was when I queried a child in my class who was statemented with a mental age of 18mths. It was also when profile had just started and the eprofile made me score him at least 1 point on each section which gave him a false score as in actual fact I think he only scored 1 point in the whole profile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alis2son Posted May 19, 2007 Share Posted May 19, 2007 DfES publication ref: ES49 Cannnot seem to find this, have googled it and gave up with the DFES site. where did you order yours from? Thanks, Ali.x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 The P scales are designed as steps towards the National Curriculum levels and are NOT appropriate for Reception Age children. The new EYFS provides development matters "maps" that allow you to track a childs progress from birth to five leading towards the ELGs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catma Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 (edited) not so much about P levels - but in relation to reporting assessments on FSp for SEN children who don't score on a scale then you can record this as AA (alternative asessment) but it is reported to LA /DfES as 0 for returns. Is all in the Assessment and Reporting Arrangements 2007 for FS/KS1 sent to schools in Autumn/Early Spring if you want details. Edited June 12, 2007 by catma Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 7, 2007 Share Posted June 7, 2007 Clare,very interested to read what you say about tracking progress towards the E.L.G's. I thought the assessment part-the profile was to remain unchanged so I'd be interested in knowing a bit more about this. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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