Guest Posted October 26, 2012 Posted October 26, 2012 Hi, I have just sat down to look at the tracking sheet and mentally prepare myself for my half term job. I don't know if anyone feels the same but I really feel that the DM seem harder to achieve this year. Is it me reading too deeply into the statements or its harder? I have a challenging cohort and feel a little worried by the new statements and what is potentially expected. I really worry that as practitioner this new document leave the statements incredibly open to interpretation and no definitive explanation of what things mean?? I sound so very moany!!! :oD
Mouseketeer Posted October 26, 2012 Posted October 26, 2012 Not in reception, but do agree, was only discussing with staff this week that they needed to re-think where they'd banded children from old to new eyfs as I felt they they couldn't just move to same band as some areas were now harder to achieve ...especially numbers now calculating is in same box 1
Guest Posted October 26, 2012 Posted October 26, 2012 It's clear that we are just going to have to start again from scratch in terms of moderation of judgements. On first look I think I am going to have less nursery children scoring 36 months or below but I also think that its going to take a couple of years for the profiles to settle down. It's ridiculous to have this years scores as reported results - I am old enough to remember how quickly judgements changed between the first second and third years of the profile scores. For now just use your best judgment and attend any moderation meetings you can plus keep an eye out for the profile guidance.
Guest Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 It's really hard isn't it, I feel like less children are going to be able to achieve! With it being an ofsted year you just want to get it right.
apple Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 I have been doing the on entry assessments for the Prime areas and I think they seem easier to achieve, particularly in Bands 22-36 months for PD and some for PSED.
Aunt Sally Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 I work with sen children and it is much harder to show progress.
Guest tinkerbell Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 To be honest I think its a nightmare. I have already decided to challenge my LEA at the next moderating meeting b ecause as Androyd has pointed out goal posts move. I remember the children in reception were expected to achieve all learning goals 1-9.then hey ho not to get 9's and if you did my LEA would phone the school and ask if the scores needed to be ajusted! So my question will be 'Are all children expected to get the ELG's at the end of the reception year or (tongue in cheek) is there a percentage of emerging,expected and shock horror not too many exceeds! sorry this is not helpful but I find it all very woolly...where is this assessment guideline book? I shall just get on with teaching the children what I feel is necessary!
catma Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 I have already decided to challenge my LEA at the next moderating meeting b ecause as Androyd has pointed out goal posts move.So my question will be 'Are all children expected to get the ELG's at the end of the reception year or (tongue in cheek) is there a percentage of emerging,expected and shock horror not too many exceeds! Fair enough if they make the changes, but they don't. They are as much in the dark re the final EYFSP documentation as you are so play fair!! We do not know yet what a "good overall level of development" will be defined as.There have been some indications that the LA will get a briefing from the DfE in January. Cx
Guest Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 so glad to see others are having this dilemna. Have moved to Reception from Nursery this year which adds to my concerns. Also work overseas so have no LA to fall back on.
Guest Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 definately harder and i expect that expected progress won't be good enough.... i'm in nursery and we have 14 children that were with us as rising 3's and were 30-50 emerging in july, but we have judged them to be 22-36 secure now in some areas, especially physical, where tripod grip required. and feel same. think it will be hard to get as many as possible to 30-50 secure as there are more children with speech issues and they come in lower and lower. omg!! x
catma Posted October 27, 2012 Posted October 27, 2012 Progress is not the same as attainment or national expectations. Children can come in very low and not get to expectations yet still make good or better progress. Cx
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 It's a scary thought though having a tough cohort and sending them up as below expected!!! ( I know that's thinking way into the future but never had such a low bunch!
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 I am finding the same pretty much. I have finished my baselines and was worried I was being extremely harsh cos a lot of my chn were best fitting I the 30-50 DM bands, especially for Maths and reading and writing. They are also chn who come from very advantageous backgrounds too.
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 it surprised me how some from more advantaged backgrounds are below expected too, but as there is more expectation in bands now, it is not surprising x
Guest Posted October 28, 2012 Posted October 28, 2012 I can honestly say I am so pleased it is not just me! The best fit for the majority of my children is 30-50m and then within in that I will have children emerging, developing and secure within that. I am starting tomorrow, wish luck! I'll let you all know how I get on and if I still have hair by the end of it
Guest Posted October 30, 2012 Posted October 30, 2012 Well I'm very nearly there and I can say that my predictions were pretty much spot on! All in 30-50 ranging from secure to emerging!!! I do officially hate the new way of assessing!!!
Guest littlemissblonde Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 I have been asked to report my baseline as the DM band the children are secure so whilst my records show most children are emerging or are developing within 30-50 they are recorded as secure within 22-36
Guest Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 Are you a reception teacher littlemissblonde?? X
Guest Posted October 31, 2012 Posted October 31, 2012 I'm struggling to record a baseline for UW and EAD because in the space of 6 weeks children havn't yet had the opportunity to experience all the elements so my whole class have scored 30-50 (some). For other areas I have the evidence or knowledge of where they are, does anyone else have this difficulty? In an ideal world i would be able to rely on the transition documents to fill in the gaps but I do not trust their accuracy (as i know for a fact that the playgroup had not done them and when i phoned on the last day of the summer term the playgroup had members of staff quickly highlighting and completing 27 documents in the space of an afternoon!!!!) deb
Guest Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 I'm struggling to record a baseline for UW and EAD because in the space of 6 weeks children havn't yet had the opportunity to experience all the elements so my whole class have scored 30-50 (some). For other areas I have the evidence or knowledge of where they are, does anyone else have this difficulty? In an ideal world i would be able to rely on the transition documents to fill in the gaps but I do not trust their accuracy (as i know for a fact that the playgroup had not done them and when i phoned on the last day of the summer term the playgroup had members of staff quickly highlighting and completing 27 documents in the space of an afternoon!!!!) deb Yes I think a lot of it is hard, physical was incredibly hard as I havnt seen half of that, so I couldn't highlight as i don't want to assume. Ohhhhhhhhhh i dislike these changes. I wish they actually consulted with the people who use and implement these documents. xx
catma Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 I wish they actually consulted with the people who use and implement these documents. xx They did and people told them they wanted it changed!! Cx
Guest Posted November 2, 2012 Posted November 2, 2012 Well I just think they have reworded and moved things and not changed much at all!! X
Guest Posted November 4, 2012 Posted November 4, 2012 Hi, As I have borrowed many great ideas and formats from this forum I thought It was about time I shared something! I've created this as a way of tracking children's progress. I plan to update it termly and use it for analysis. I'm not sure how other people feel, but we were assured that with the new EYFS curriculum that there would be less ;paperwork' for teachers. Maybe it's because it's still so new and I'm getting used to it, but I'm finding (in reception) that it's more work! progress tracker.docx
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