anju Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 If we have 17 children made up of 15 three/four year olds and 2 two year olds, is the following staffing ok: Three staff in total: one manager qualified to Level 3 one other staff member qualified to level 3 one unqualified staff member Normally we have more qualified staff so it's not an issue, but there's training coming up and I want to double check. Thanks, A 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 (edited) Yes, as long as the manager is on the floor (not literally!🤣) ediited to add - unless they want to be! Edited June 6 by louby loo 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anju Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 thank you so much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Hi Anju don't want to throw a spanner in the works but actually no i don't think this is correct as of the 4th January 2024. You would need one level 2/3 for the four 2 year olds (or four children some of whom may be 2 or 3) then the other qualified member of staff for 8 three year olds making a total of 12 the unqualified member of staff is not able to be included in ratio . This is at least my understanding please do look up the new statutory framework for Nurseries though to check. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I'm also assuming the other member of staff is the named deputy! in which case they would need to be level 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anju Posted September 17 Author Share Posted September 17 On 09/06/2024 at 13:39, finleysmaid said: Hi Anju don't want to throw a spanner in the works but actually no i don't think this is correct as of the 4th January 2024. You would need one level 2/3 for the four 2 year olds (or four children some of whom may be 2 or 3) then the other qualified member of staff for 8 three year olds making a total of 12 the unqualified member of staff is not able to be included in ratio . This is at least my understanding please do look up the new statutory framework for Nurseries though to check. Sorry I've only just seen this for some reason! I think that was clarified: https://www.eyalliance.org.uk/news/2023/12/dfe-confirms-no-change-over-unqualified-staff-rules#:~:text=Any individual that does not,longer work in early years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anju Posted September 17 Author Share Posted September 17 On 09/06/2024 at 13:41, finleysmaid said: I'm also assuming the other member of staff is the named deputy! in which case they would need to be level 3 yes and they are level 3 :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted September 22 Share Posted September 22 Sorry realised there is an error in my response as of course it is now 5 2 year olds not 4! however i may not be reading your question correctly... to clarify To be in ratio you must have a qualification. therefore for 17 children you need 1 x staff for the two year olds plus 3 x 3 year olds =5 ....at level 2 0r 3 1x staff for 8 3 year olds at level 2 or 3 =8 1x staff for 8 x 3 year olds at level 2 or 3 =8 so to cover 17 children you would require 3 qualified staff. at least 2 at level 2 and 1x level 3 unqualified staff CANNOT be included in ratio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mouseketeer Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 Hi Fm, my thinking is that, in this case the 3rd person could be unqualified, 1 x L3 (manager provided with chn), half of all other staff need to be qualified at L2 (which 2nd person is) then 3rd can be unqualified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted September 24 Share Posted September 24 On 24/09/2024 at 19:27, Mouseketeer said: Hi Fm, my thinking is that, in this case the 3rd person could be unqualified, 1 x L3 (manager provided with chn), half of all other staff need to be qualified at L2 (which 2nd person is) then 3rd can be unqualified. This is my understanding too? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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