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[anju]

 

If we have 17 children made up of 15 three/four year olds and 2 two year olds, is the following staffing ok:

Three staff in total:

one manager qualified to Level 3

one other staff member qualified to level 3

one unqualified staff member

 

Normally we have more qualified staff so it's not an issue, but there's training coming up and I want to double check.

 

Thanks,

 

A

 

 

 

[louby loo]

Yes, as long as the manager is on the floor (not literally!🤣)

ediited to add - unless they want to be!

Edited June 6, 2024 by louby loo

[anju]

thank you so much!

 

[finleysmaid]

Hi Anju 

don't want to throw a spanner in the works but actually no i don't think this is correct as of the 4th January 2024. You would need one level 2/3 for the four 2 year olds (or four children some of whom may be 2 or 3) then the other qualified member of staff for 8 three year olds making a total of 12 the unqualified member of staff is not able to be included in ratio . This is at least my understanding please do look up the new statutory framework for Nurseries though to check.

[finleysmaid]

I'm also assuming the other member of staff is the named deputy! in which case they would need to be level 3 

[anju]

On 09/06/2024 at 13:39, finleysmaid said:

Hi Anju 

don't want to throw a spanner in the works but actually no i don't think this is correct as of the 4th January 2024. You would need one level 2/3 for the four 2 year olds (or four children some of whom may be 2 or 3) then the other qualified member of staff for 8 three year olds making a total of 12 the unqualified member of staff is not able to be included in ratio . This is at least my understanding please do look up the new statutory framework for Nurseries though to check.

Sorry I've only just seen this for some reason! I think that was clarified:

https://www.eyalliance.org.uk/news/2023/12/dfe-confirms-no-change-over-unqualified-staff-rules#:~:text=Any individual that does not,longer work in early years

[anju]

On 09/06/2024 at 13:41, finleysmaid said:

I'm also assuming the other member of staff is the named deputy! in which case they would need to be level 3 

yes and they are level 3 :)

[finleysmaid]

Sorry realised there is an error in my response as of course it is now 5 2 year olds not 4! however i may not be reading your question correctly... to clarify

To be in ratio you must have a qualification.

therefore for 17 children you need  

1 x staff for the two year olds plus 3 x 3 year olds =5 ....at level 2 0r 3

1x staff for 8 3 year olds at level 2 or 3 =8

1x staff for 8 x 3 year olds at level 2 or 3 =8

so to cover 17 children you would require 3 qualified staff. at least 2 at level 2 and 1x level 3 

unqualified staff CANNOT be included in ratio 

 

 

[Mouseketeer]

Hi Fm, my thinking is that, in this case the 3rd person could be unqualified, 1 x L3 (manager provided with chn), half of all other staff need to be qualified at L2 (which 2nd person is) then 3rd can be unqualified.

[louby loo]

On 24/09/2024 at 19:27, Mouseketeer said:

Hi Fm, my thinking is that, in this case the 3rd person could be unqualified, 1 x L3 (manager provided with chn), half of all other staff need to be qualified at L2 (which 2nd person is) then 3rd can be unqualified.

This is my understanding too?