TORO Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Hi all, I am thinking of getting a clocking machine, because of lateness in the mornings and coming back from lunches as well, do you think it is too much like big brother watching you, it is just that staff are telling me some come in late and not signing in the right time. What do you think? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristina Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Not sure about a clocking machine but if you see my post HR outsourcing you will see I am having similar problems. I have been told with regards lateness to document the time staff arrive/leave etc then sit down and discuss any lateness, you are within your rights to issue a concern and also dock all lateness from pay. Becomes a minfield when dealing with staff time keeping/absence!! Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristina Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Forgot to add that if another member of staff has approached you to complain about lateness by others you have to be seen to act if not they can take action against you for not doing anything!! Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Not sure about a clocking machine but if you see my post HR outsourcing you will see I am having similar problems. I have been told with regards lateness to document the time staff arrive/leave etc then sit down and discuss any lateness, you are within your rights to issue a concern and also dock all lateness from pay. Becomes a minfield when dealing with staff time keeping/absence!! Kris And this is why we (as managers) never get anything done! It does seem a bit like big brother as it's early years, but it's an accepted way in some professions...will you have grief at th other end of the day...giving them ammunition/proof that they never finish on time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekker Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 I do deduct - often have to change signing in time when checking up on hour sheets as staff just automatically record normal time even if arrive 10 mins later than should !! Gingerbreadman has a point though...although mine tend to stop dead on time whether everythings done or not so I end up finishing off :-( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjayne Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 If they worked for Tesco or many other big companies the staff would have to clock in and out and be penalised for poor timekeeping , why should they as 'professional' childcare staff think they need to do any less. Shoddy timekeeping is the beginning of a slippery slope if it's allowed to be unchallenged and can cause a lot of resentment with other staff... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TORO Posted February 17, 2013 Author Share Posted February 17, 2013 You are right Redjayne there is resentment going on, ie this person came in late and they are not called in blah blah, i dont want to grass on others etc etc, want can you do when staff tells you that, i called them in when i see them come in late, but cannot pull those i do not see!!. They dont see 10 or 5 mins late as being late, and there has been occassions when parents had to wait for staff to get in due to Health and Safety. l was told this off the record because staff did not want to be seen as grassing <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redjayne Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 A difficult one - but as it has been raised it has to be addressed, you need to speak to the culprit and point out it has been brought to your attention, and it is not acceptable - maybe you need to sit down as a team and draft a 'timekeeping' policy ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 (edited) You are right Redjayne there is resentment going on, ie this person came in late and they are not called in blah blah, i dont want to grass on others etc etc, want can you do when staff tells you that, i called them in when i see them come in late, but cannot pull those i do not see!!. They dont see 10 or 5 mins late as being late, and there has been occassions when parents had to wait for staff to get in due to Health and Safety. l was told this off the record because staff did not want to be seen as grassing <_< it's like being back at school isn't it!! I'm feeling a little better that it appears more commonly than I imagine ...I often have this idealistic view of others settings that all runs smoothly, all staff are on your side and on board with the ethos- everyone has a professional outlook parents don't complain about daft things It doesn't matter how many times it's said that I have only one pair of eyes and lots of things on the go and that I cannot notice everything so that if someone else does it is their responsibility to raise it and then it will get sorted it just never happens...and yet they still feel compelled to whine among others however, I do strategically request that as soon as said slack member of staff comes back off their lunch I need to see them about some random thing so I can spot check We don't pay overtime at the other end of the day because usually it ends up everyone is late because several people end up on a go slow unless I can see that it's been a genuine issue Edited February 17, 2013 by gingerbreadman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 Gingerbreadman has a point though...although mine tend to stop dead on time whether everythings done or not so I end up finishing off :-( It's as if they think that we don't want to go home on time either! eee honestly...wonder if this (timekeeping) gets hammered home in college Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 eee honestly...wonder if this (timekeeping) gets hammered home in college sadly I don't think very much gets 'hammered home' in college anymore.... :( we have a L3 student just started with us- been on the course since Sept- they did not know what the EYFS is.. and they could be fully qualified by July... :angry: .............. but that's a whole other thread (not meaning to hijack this one!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 17, 2013 Share Posted February 17, 2013 sadly I don't think very much gets 'hammered home' in college anymore.... :( we have a L3 student just started with us- been on the course since Sept- they did not know what the EYFS is.. and they could be fully qualified by July... :angry: .............. but that's a whole other thread (not meaning to hijack this one!) :blink: :blink: :blink: :blink: :o :angry: :angry: :angry: :( and lots more emoticons!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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