Guest Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hi! I had to prepare a handout on Schemas for staff and parents. Unfortunately, the manager at my setting was constantly busy, and so my work placement ended before I could get any feedback. So in lieu of that, could you guys please have a look and tell me what you think? It's basically a one pager (didn't want to be too long winded) briefly explaining schemas, followed by the tables off the Dorset website (http://212.104.140.176/index.jsp?articleid=357248) which I felt would be useful for practitioners who'd like to incorporate schemas into their planning. Thanks! Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Schemas___How_To_Understand_And_Extend_Children_s_Behaviour.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlettangel Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Haven't much time right now to read in depth, but from an overview it looks simple and contains the right info!! Well done you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thanks Scarlett! Didn't think there was much to go into depth, it's really just a page long. Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Haven't much time right now to read in depth, but from an overview it looks simple and contains the right info!! Well done you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoebe123 Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Hi Mark Well done! Your handout appears clear and informative. I think the photos make it interesting too. I wonder whether, for parents, some of the terminology might need explaining? Whilst doing Forest School training I finally got the plot about schemas and drew up a sheet for parents. I send out an accompanying letter at children's settle in explaining very simply how schemas work and ask them to indicate any observed behaviours. The returned sheet is placed in the child's learning journey and added to as other preferences are noticed. If you would like to see a copy, please let me know and I'll forward it to you. HTH Lesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Looks good to me! I agree with what Lesley says about parents - wouldn't want to generalise but the simpler the language the more of them you'll reach. Would love to see your letter to parents, Lesley - sounds like a really good idea! Mark this will make an excellent addition to your evidence portfolio - and you could still email your placement to find out if they're using it and how effective it has been! Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thanks Lesley, I'd love to get a copy. I kept it short because I was worried most parents wouldn't bother looking at a block of words more than a page long. Additionally, those that are really interested could have approached me, as I was in the setting 5 days a week from morning till evening. Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Hi Mark Well done! Your handout appears clear and informative. I think the photos make it interesting too. I wonder whether, for parents, some of the terminology might need explaining? Whilst doing Forest School training I finally got the plot about schemas and drew up a sheet for parents. I send out an accompanying letter at children's settle in explaining very simply how schemas work and ask them to indicate any observed behaviours. The returned sheet is placed in the child's learning journey and added to as other preferences are noticed. If you would like to see a copy, please let me know and I'll forward it to you. HTH Lesley Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Thanks Maz, long time no see. I did email the setting, but I didn't get a reply, so I assumed the manager was too busy and/or it slipper her mind. Ugh, evidence portfolios. I've obsessively filed and typed up a bunch of stuff, but don't really know what to put in, for fear that it just morphs into a huge stack of papers. Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Looks good to me! I agree with what Lesley says about parents - wouldn't want to generalise but the simpler the language the more of them you'll reach. Would love to see your letter to parents, Lesley - sounds like a really good idea! Mark this will make an excellent addition to your evidence portfolio - and you could still email your placement to find out if they're using it and how effective it has been! Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Additionally, those that are really interested could have approached me, as I was in the setting 5 days a week from morning till evening. Just one other thing to add here, on the subject of parents. I learned early on never to underestimate how much courage it might take a parent to approach a practitioner to get them to explain something, especially if they are not confident readers or there are other underlying issues such as low self esteem or depression. I well remember looking at the staff in MrsWeasley's nursery and thinking they had God-like qualities of patience, all-seeing wisdom and knowledge. The gulf between how I perceived their skills and expertise as practitioners and mine as a parent made it very difficult for me to ask them to explain things, let alone justify their approaches. Back then if someone had handed me a leaflet about schemas I would probably have read it with a level of understanding, but I would probably not have felt brave enough to approach the Supervisor for more information. In fact I remember picking up Cathy Nutbrown's book when I was doing my DPP and feeling far to thick to even begin to read it! Of course the trick is to keep the language clear and unambiguous for those parents who might need support to understand the content and not patronise those who have a higher level of knowledge and understanding. Excellent example of how to meet Standard 37 - "Develop and use skills in literacy, numeracy and information and communication technology to support their work with children and wider professional activities". Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Well, my email address is there for the shy ones. It didn't occur to me that parents would view me as a magical font of knowledge. In fact I usually get the impression that they're amazed I can even speak English (I'm Chinese). The way people usually "compliment" my English, I feel as though they're going "Wow! You're English is pretty good!" (then quietly in their heads: for a Chinese guy!) Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jane707 Posted December 20, 2009 Share Posted December 20, 2009 Hi Mark It's a good piece of work but I wonder if it goes over heads of some parents? They need to understand what a 'pattern of repeatable behaviour' is... and you've used 'curriculum content' and other buzz words which you and I fully understand... But I'm not sure about parents if it's aimed at them. I would say to talk about... have you seen your child carrying bricks from one place to the other? Do you wonder why your child gets more enjoyment from the box than the toy inside? Do you see your child lining up cars and other toys? Does your child like wrapping dollies and presents? these are all schemas... all the term 'schemas' means is behaviour that the child repeats as s/he learns. You can help your child to learn through schemas... etc Something like that perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2009 Share Posted December 21, 2009 Hi Jane! Thanks for your input! Seems to be the consensus that I should make my handout more parent friendly. Hopefully I can use your suggestions with my handout, maybe in my next setting, as I wouldn't want to burn any more time and effort for more of nothing. I just saw Vaughantracy's Schema handout, and the words 'pales by comparison' comes to mind for my own handout. Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Hi Mark It's a good piece of work but I wonder if it goes over heads of some parents? They need to understand what a 'pattern of repeatable behaviour' is... and you've used 'curriculum content' and other buzz words which you and I fully understand... But I'm not sure about parents if it's aimed at them. I would say to talk about... have you seen your child carrying bricks from one place to the other? Do you wonder why your child gets more enjoyment from the box than the toy inside? Do you see your child lining up cars and other toys? Does your child like wrapping dollies and presents? these are all schemas... all the term 'schemas' means is behaviour that the child repeats as s/he learns. You can help your child to learn through schemas... etc Something like that perhaps? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 22, 2009 Share Posted December 22, 2009 Hi Mark, Kind words...but do remember that my booklet is aimed at practitioners not directly to parents. I had a different slant as I needed something for baby room, toddler room, school settings, as well as for child minders I have links with. Have you thought about giving them a quick to fill in questionnaire for feedback, then you can show how you have adapted your handout? Please feel free to message me if you would like a copy of the questionnaire, it maybe something you look at for an idea/starting point. Tracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hi Tracy! Thanks, I think you've already given me a copy of your tick list. I've already left the setting, as my first placement has ended, so I wouldn't be giving them much else, especially since they didn't even bother to reply my earlier email. I might try and work the schema handout thingie into my next placement though. Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Hi Mark, Kind words...but do remember that my booklet is aimed at practitioners not directly to parents. I had a different slant as I needed something for baby room, toddler room, school settings, as well as for child minders I have links with. Have you thought about giving them a quick to fill in questionnaire for feedback, then you can show how you have adapted your handout? Please feel free to message me if you would like a copy of the questionnaire, it maybe something you look at for an idea/starting point. Tracy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hi Mark, I hope you don't mind but I had a quick look at your information sheet for my own selfish reasons I was really unsure about schemas but keep hearing them talked about more and more. I found the information very informative and helpful so thankyou. I would love to know more about schemas but am in the middle of E115 and just starting U212 so as you can imagine I have very little spare time on my hands Thank you once again Rapunzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hi Rapunzel (real name? ) You're very much welcome, I'm always glad to hear that someone's interested in my writing. That they don't think it's a load of waffle is also an added bonus. If you'd like a little more info on schemas, Vaughantracy and lesleypimperne (their names are in this thread, above. You can private message them I think) have also done some handouts on schemas, which are longer and more informative than mine. I also read up on Schemas from the FSF itself: Schemas by Juliet Mickelburgh, The Foundation Stage Forum (http://www.foundationstage. info/newfsf/articles/members/FSFArticle_186.php) What's E115 and U212? Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com Hi Mark, I hope you don't mind but I had a quick look at your information sheet for my own selfish reasons I was really unsure about schemas but keep hearing them talked about more and more. I found the information very informative and helpful so thankyou. I would love to know more about schemas but am in the middle of E115 and just starting U212 so as you can imagine I have very little spare time on my hands Thank you once again Rapunzel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Hi again, Thanks for that information E115 and U212 some of the courses that will hopefully make up the foundation degree in Early years. At the moment I'm finding it quite difficult as I am working as a nanny and feeling quite out of the loop, but hopefully I'll get there. Thanks again Rapunzel a.k.a Carol yn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Wow!!! I can't even write my own name right, I have no hope of completing the foundation degree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted December 26, 2009 Share Posted December 26, 2009 Wow!!! I can't even write my own name right, I have no hope of completing the foundation degree Well throughout my studies there have been days when I didn't even know what my own name was Carolyn, so you're one up on me. If you're looking for more in depth (but still readable) information about schemas, you might have a look at Sally Featherstone's book Again! Again! which you can see here on Amazon. Lots of good advice about how to recognise children's schematic learning and how to provide experiences which support different schemas. Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 27, 2009 Share Posted December 27, 2009 Thanks Maz, I will have a look now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beckyboo7 Posted April 4, 2010 Share Posted April 4, 2010 Hi lesleypimperne, I was just searching the forum for posts about schemas. I think including a space for parents to record any observed behaviours is a great idea and especially beneficial for those children who don't attend as often as others! I'm an EYPS student, I've just introduced heuristic play to the baby room with the intention of getting staff to observe for schemas. I wondered if you'd be able to send me a copy of your handout so I can see whether I am on the right track! Thanks, Rebecca. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennyjenkinz Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 HI Lesly, I have tried to PM you with regards to your parents info sheet but am told I cannot... So I thought I would put a message here in the hope that you may see it. thanks x Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 HI Lesly, I have tried to PM you with regards to your parents info sheet but am told I cannot... The message you got probably said that Lesley has disabled her personal messenger system, or that she belongs to a group that doesn't allow the PM system to be used. Hopefully she'll log in soon and see your post and get back to you! Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jennyjenkinz Posted April 15, 2010 Share Posted April 15, 2010 thanks Maz, thats exactly what it says! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreamgirl Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Hi lesley. Have tried to PM you too. Would be interested to see your letter to parents on schemas too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 16, 2010 Share Posted April 16, 2010 Hi Maz! There seems to be some interest in the material from Lesley (and presumably Vaughantracy's as well). But people don't seem to be able to reach her. I do have the files, but do you think I should post them here? I'd assume that if Lesley had wanted to post it, she would have. She was more than willing to send me the file when I messaged her earlier on though. Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com The message you got probably said that Lesley has disabled her personal messenger system, or that she belongs to a group that doesn't allow the PM system to be used. Hopefully she'll log in soon and see your post and get back to you! Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beau Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 lesleypimperne is no longer a fully paid up member of the forum which is why you are unable to pm her. Mark, I'm afraid you can't upload anything that you yourself haven't produced. As you said, if she had wanted to share she would have uploaded them herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 lesleypimperne is no longer a fully paid up member of the forum which is why you are unable to pm her. That said, I have sent her an email through the Forum, so I'm hoping that will still get through. Steve will know whether it will have done, or not because I don't understand how it all works, I'm afraid. She's working abroad at the moment isn't she, so it might take some time! Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 18, 2010 Share Posted April 18, 2010 Ok, just trying maintain the 'helpful spirit' which Lesley showed me. Regards Mark http://earlychildcare.wordpress.com lesleypimperne is no longer a fully paid up member of the forum which is why you are unable to pm her. Mark, I'm afraid you can't upload anything that you yourself haven't produced. As you said, if she had wanted to share she would have uploaded them herself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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