Guest Wolfie Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 If a child enjoys activities such as putting toys into a container - Popoids into the bin, chalks into a bowl, etc. - which schema are they displaying...enveloping or transporting? I would have said "posting" but there doesn't seem to be one with that particular name! I've has a look at the descriptions on a couple of websites, including the Dorset one, but can't make up my mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rea Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Exeter surestart Try this one Wolfie, they reckon its enveloping/containing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 It sounds like enveloping/enclosing to me ,too, as the focus seems to be on the filling up rather than the moving around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I would go for enclosure? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louby loo Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I'd go for the 'enjoying themselves'!!!!!!!!!!! xxxxxxx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 would go for enclosure too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Thanks for that - I'm inclined to agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 Another enclosure vote here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I'm for enclosure too!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I'd go for the 'enjoying themselves'!!!!!!!!!!! xxxxxxx or is it tidying up time fun Peggy p.s. I'd go with containing, I see enclosing / enveloping as a child who physically directs one object ie paper/cloth etc, around another object. (ie: wrapping up items ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 (edited) Enclosure/ containing ~ A child may put their thumb in and out of their mouth, fill up and empty containers of all kinds, climb into large cartons, sit in the tunnel, build ‘cages’ with blocks. Enveloping A child may cover themselves in a flannel when washing, wrap dolls and toys up in blankets and fabric, cover their painting with one colour. Edited May 6, 2008 by Marion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I haven't found a reference to a "containing" schema Peggy - where did you find that one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 containing is another name for enclosure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 But I think Peggy is saying that enclosure is something different? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 I'd go for enclosure too. From what I've been reading lately, children can have clusters of schema too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Can anyone recommend a good book? I've read lots of articles and bits and pieces about schemas but want something a bit more in depth now - I was thinking about Tina Bruce's book - the updated version of Early Childhood Education has a new chapter on schemas apparently, has anyone read it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Extending Thought in Young Children - Chris Athey Threads of Thinking - Cathy Nutbrown Early Childhood Education - Tina Bruce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 I'm the same as you Wolfie, wanting to know more about Schema. I can recommend Tina Bruce's book (3rd Edition) which has a lot about Schema in there as 'another lens' with which to observe children. I am so intrigued though that I have bought Chris Athey's book (second edition 2007) 'Extending Thought in Young Children A Parent - Teacher Partnership' from Amazon. I have not had time to read it yet because of assignments but it will be by summer reading - how sad is that! Reading the Preface I see that Cathy Nutbrown produced 'Threads of Thinking' in 1999 which 'can be thought of as a companion to 'Extending thought in Young Children' in that it applies the Froebel Project findings....' Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deb Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 Snap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 There's a more up to date threads of thinking (Nutbrown) now.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marion Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 The 3rd edition was published in 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 But I think Peggy is saying that enclosure is something different? Both 'containing and enveloping' involve enclosure ie 'surrounded by'. I was considering your description, comparing 'containing and enveloping', as the child was placing items 'in' rather than wrapping around I felt it was more related to 'containing'. Now if a child wrapped an item into a a piece of paper ( a bit like a do it yourself envelope) = enveloping......then took it to a pretend post box and posted it (and sometimes all manner of other items) into the box = containing.........................then took items out of box and carried them to another part of the room = transporting the above describes a very frequant activity I have observed on numerous occasions at preschool, some would say it's just 'role play' but if a child persistently repeats these actions over a period of time I would say they are following / focused on the schema's of enveloping, containing and transporting. Does that make sense? Mind you I don't really think it matters what word you choose to use to describe the action, as long as the same word is used every time the action is noted, and others understand what action the word is describing, and that the word is not too ambiguous. Now I wonder is constantly picking ones nose is a schema (think about it, some children are sometimes very focused on this activity, giving their actions full observational and sensory obsession) Peggy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lucyevans Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 This is a really useful doc for planning around schemas http://docs.google.com/View?docid=dhj78jgr_3fkps8h Lucy www.lucy-locket.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lucyevans Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Here's a free 84 page book on schemas http://www.nzcer.org.nz/pdfs/1363.pdf I think its possibly an older version of this book that's being published in August, priced £17.99! http://www.mcgraw-hill.co.uk/html/0335228801.html Lucy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emmajess Posted June 13, 2008 Share Posted June 13, 2008 Thanks Lucy, that looks great! Schemas is one of those things that fascinates me but I just don't quite get! I think I need a bit more research, so this will be really helpful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Thanks for the link Lucy. I'm also interested in schemas but sometimes find it hard to pinpoint which one a child is displaying. Sally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Fantastic, Lucy, thank you! Heavy on the printer ink but cheaper than £17!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I've been invited to a conference where Tina Bruce is speaking, I am obviously going to have to arrange cover sounds like she could be good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 I've been invited to a conference where Tina Bruce is speaking, I am obviously going to have to arrange cover sounds like she could be good! I've heard that she is very good. I used her books widely for my coursework. Let us know what you think after the conference. Sally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wolfie Posted June 14, 2008 Share Posted June 14, 2008 Tina Bruce will definitely be worth listening to - very highly thought of in early years circles! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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