Guest lahayman Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Can anyone help?! Our school is having an ongoing argument about using FSP scores to track / target set pupil progress in Y2 SATS. Despite FS staff maintaining that there is no correlation between FSP scores and NC levels, the head and KS1 staff want something to track critical pathways. What are other people using? How are you doing this? Any information would be wonderful!!! Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 You will find this has been discussion before if you do a search. AND yes it is being used to predict scores at KS1 and KS2 SATs, regardless of whether the data is tranferable or appropriate!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I'm in pre-school so I can't really help you, but I can welcome you to the Forum because I see I hadn't done that before! Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsL Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 I have been talking about this today with my Head. Last year when I took over as Foundation leader, I said I wouldn't predict targets for end of year 1 at the end of reception. She was fine with this. However county have now said that she HAS to give in targets, not only for end of year 1 but for the KS1 sats. this has to be done during the autumn term after the children have left reception. Luckily she has not asked me to predict them, and now the year 1 teacher has to set their sats targets after teaching them for part of the autumn term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2009 Share Posted January 21, 2009 Mrs L good to read you are keeping to your principles! All schools have to set targets in the Autumn term and how they decide on the process is complicated and up to individual schools. LA are not asking schools to use FSP scores in fact my LA activley discourages this and if you look at the NAA website you will see that EYFS profile scale points and accumulative scale point scores are statutory assessments in their own right. They are not equivalent to any national curriculum levels or sub-levels and no such equation should be made. A good tracking process in Y1 following on from the good work of EYFS should enable all HT to make infomed judegements when target setting. Keep to your principles folks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 As an F1 teacher and FS co-ordinator, I was given a document by our head that scales scores to predict results for each year group from F1 through to year 6. The FSP scores are used to predict Y1 scores in the core subjects and these go into the children's tracking files. I'm not sure where this document originated, but can investigate if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyMaz Posted January 24, 2009 Share Posted January 24, 2009 Welcome to the Forum, aiwed! Maz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2009 Share Posted January 25, 2009 Sounds like Essex Target Tracker. Yes it can do its own conversion but in the end the Foundation Stage Profile was NEVER meant to predict what children are likely to get at the end of Y1 and onwards. If we keep dancing to this tune then we will forever be dancing a dance that is not right! Some of the children leaving foundation stage are only just five years old. What we need to make sure is that their needs are being met, they are learning in a way that meets their needs. They will then have self esteem in that they feel successful and so will succeed! Sorry to rant but I really do believe that we are continually having to shield the top down model when what we should be doing is building on what goes before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 As an F1 teacher and FS co-ordinator, I was given a document by our head that scales scores to predict results for each year group from F1 through to year 6. The FSP scores are used to predict Y1 scores in the core subjects and these go into the children's tracking files. I'm not sure where this document originated, but can investigate if you wish. I too would be interested in your tracking document as my head is insisting that pupil tracking begins in Reception & continues through to Year6 as OFTED require this during inspection.I am a Reception teacher who has used the FSP for tracking but the Head now wants point scores & predictions from baseline scores.Ossie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 I would love to hear more about this too!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Susan Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Hi Ossie and welcome. I do think it depends alot on your LEA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 This discussion has recently been started in my setting too - so i would be interested in seeing the document - but also in how other schools address the tracking/target setting from EYFSP scores issues - any enlightening answers greatly recieved! XX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Can anyone help?! Our school is having an ongoing argument about using FSP scores to track / target set pupil progress in Y2 SATS. Despite FS staff maintaining that there is no correlation between FSP scores and NC levels, the head and KS1 staff want something to track critical pathways. What are other people using? How are you doing this? Any information would be wonderful!!! Thanks. the year 1 and Year 2 staff at our school do use something to track on from FSP although I agree with you that there is no correlation between NC and FSP - I am not sure off the top of my head what it is they use but will find out and get back to you - we seem to be a nation of target setters - is this so that we can actually prove that we are succeeding or failing - I'm not sure but hey there you go g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffy Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 the year 1 and Year 2 staff at our school do use something to track on from FSP although I agree with you that there is no correlation between NC and FSP - I am not sure off the top of my head what it is they use but will find out and get back to you - we seem to be a nation of target setters - is this so that we can actually prove that we are succeeding or failing - I'm not sure but hey there you gog Thanks Glynnis - look forward to haering about the process / systems they use - it sure is a minefield out there!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 WB_Guidance_for_progress_FSP___Y1.doc Hi It's so true it's a minefield but in our school it is just expected that we target set and track from the start. Here's what I've got from out Local Authority which basically says that if they get 6 or 7 profile scale points then they should Level 1b or L1a at the end of Y1 and 2c or 2b by the end of Y2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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