Performance Management Format For Nneb/ppa Time For Nneb's?

[Guest]

HI, I'm a FSU co-ordinator in a primary school and I'm about to do Performance management interview with ny NNEB and was wondering if anyone out there has a good format to use for this. I'm trying to devise one that is more user friendly than the one used by the rest of our staff. This is the first interview I've done on someone else so would be grateful for any tips!

Also I'm trying to find out how much PPA this NNEB would be entitled to per week if any. I have given her a generous amount of time whilst she was writing reports but feel it should be cut back to a more realsitic amount for her to keep her obs and record file up to date. She is keen to take responsibility for our F2's (part timers) again next year.

Help!!

[Guest]

Hi

I bet my NNEBS would like to work there. Time to write reports and thinking of PPA(I do not think they are entitled). I can'nt see my head thinking of any of that. My NNEBs are paid to stay on till 4pm (we close at 3pm) that is when they write up obs and think of planning.

[Guest]

I am an NNEB and work in a foundation stage unit . we are also having our appraisals in school next week.

While at the minute we only take time out to do the childrens profiles and assessment books when we have TA in class.

I personally think if nnebs have 25 childrens booklets and profiles to fillout and assess, they should be given a session to do this .

EG a session is 2 and a half hours- 180 minutes- roughley 7 mins on each childs booklet/observations.

Time before and after school could then still be spent on tidying up and doing displays etc.

For the last 16 years I have taken all mine home and spent long periods of time on a weekend doing the booklets/profiles as you want them up to date and informative for parents, but there comes a time when schools have to give some time to staff to carry out this work. It sounds as though you are one of the good ones who know how hard your staff work and appraciate this.

[Guest]

Hi

I bet my NNEBS would like to work there. Time to write reports and thinking of PPA(I do not think they are entitled). I can'nt see my head thinking of any of that. My NNEBs are paid to stay on till 4pm (we close at 3pm) that is when they write up obs and think of planning.

 

Many thanks for your helpful comments. I think I need to check her job description and go from there...

[Guest]

I am an NNEB and work in a foundation stage unit . we are also having our appraisals in school next week.

While at the minute we only take time out to do the childrens profiles and assessment books when we have TA in class.

I personally think if nnebs have 25 childrens booklets and profiles to fillout and assess, they should be given a session to do this .

EG a session is 2 and a half hours- 180 minutes- roughley 7 mins on each childs booklet/observations.

Time before and after school could then still be spent on tidying up and doing displays etc.

For the last 16 years I have taken all mine home and spent long periods of time on a weekend doing the booklets/profiles as you want them up to date and informative for parents, but there comes a time when schools have to give some time to staff to carry out this work. It sounds as though you are one of the good ones who know how hard your staff work and appraciate this.

[Guest]

Thanks for your comments. I'm sure we can arrive at a compromise!!

[Guest]

WELL SAID MARY!!!

 

I do not think they are entitled

they?

 

I'm an NNEB in a school foundation stage unit.I get no PPA but I cover PPA!!!! for 1 full day a week for the nursery teacher who is also foundation stage manager-she gets 1/2 day for each role.Last year and next year I will cover PPA for 2 reception class teachers but am allowed no PPA myself for my role or to plan and pre-pare for the day I cover or should I say teach! By PPA I mean in charge of the class for the day with all the responsiblities that involves.

Nursery is not so bad as we plan together but in reception I will be given a curriculum area to provide and plan for as a unit plus all the other duties.My hours are considerably more than my contract says without extra pay.

 

Being a Nursery Nurse in a school is a tricky place to be.You are caught between TA's and teaching staff.Suitable to be a teacher when required but a TA when it comes to pay and conditions of work.Salary paid like teachers so therefore expected to work extra hours not classed as overtime so not paid.'Only the nursery nurse' when it comes to the crunch in matters when a professional opinion is required.

 

Sorry if I sound disallusioned but a Nursery Nurse in a school has a job and not a career.A career requires a structure to climb and somewhere to aspire to-we have non.I've been an NNEB in schools fulltime (no break for children) for 26 years.The increment scale was 6 levels so for 20 years I have no increase in my pay other than the council pay awards but boy has the role changed!!! I don't want to be a teacher, I don't want to be a manager, I don't want to do a degree (no offence to anyone who wants to do any of those!)I only ever want to have nursery nurses valued as unique early years practitioners in their own right.

 

I'm please you think so highly of your qualified nursery nurse and recognise her contribution. I'm sure her interview will be positive. I think your right to offer her some time for her role and I'm sure that acknowledgment of her professionalism and worth will be reflected in your unit.

[Guest]

Hi,

Its strange you have just asked about how much time nursery nurses should get for keeping upto childrens files. I work in a school nursery and i am keyworker along with another nursery nurse who is in charge of 26 childrens files like me. For the last year we have worked through most of our lunches and taken the files home. Last week i have asked if the head could be asked if starting in september we could have some ppa time as not only have we done this I have made resouces in my own time. I explained that i dont mind but one nursery nurse said there is no way she would do this. I am awaiting of a reply from the head will let you know.

[beth1]

Although not in a primary school nursery, I though I would add my comments.

 

I am the manager of a preschool each staff member including me gets paid 30 minutes per key child per month, this is normally done from home with permission from me to take home their key child's book each book. At the present time 2 staff members have 9 key children, while the qualified/unqualified have about 4/5 key children. I myself have 5 key children as well as running all aspects of preschool. Staff members also observe their own children but if they observe a child who is not there own, they will record it and pass it on to the childs key worker.

 

I am the worst person for key books as due to my Special Educational Needs everywhere I have ever worked, I have typed up my observations and comments. I am lucky that I can get all my typing done in the 30 minutes alloted timescale, I am trained to touch type and can type a paragrah in around 3 minutes. However I still need to write out what I saw before typing the work.

 

Having worked in a nursery class on supply as a nursery nurse I have seen how hard the NNEBs work hard to keep their key children's files upto date. I have on occassion supported the person who could be off ill or on a course as I tended to work for a 2 to 7 weeks at a time in one setting.

 

Beth

[Guest]

Biccy Your post made me want to cry. Have you thought of saying any of this to your head. You deserve better treatment and recognition. I think nursery nurses in school have a really tough role which has been further undermined by the EYFS. How many times have I read posts here that say "I have just been appointed to the foundation stage - I have never worked with this age before - please help". I have always wondered how the nursery nurses feel. The nursery nurse is now functioning at a high level of professionalism and should be recognised as such especially in view of the extra work they are doing.

[Jo jo]

I completley agree Nursery nurses need to recognised as professionals in their own right. It seems we are expected to do more and more planning and paper work but are given no time to do this. I have spent years doing work at home I refuse to do this now. It's true we are stuck between a rock and a hard place when working in schools seen as Teachers when it suits but not paid as such, and seen as TA's when it suits. Nursery nurses in schools I feel will soon no longer exsit as TA's are being put into the foundation stage rather than nursery nurses as they are cheaper. Then we hear about the importance of well qualified staff on children's outcomes we can't win. The EYFS is not helping as it states that only one member of staff in a school nursery needs to be qualified to level 3. When will we be recognised as the professionals we are. I am under taking a degree as I feel I have no choice but to become a teacher as it is the only way my skills will be recognised. I have just finished the foundation degree but as somebody else mentioned there is no career structure in a school so I am now qualified to a higher level but this is not recognised except when I am expected to take on more responsability for no extra money or recognition!! Sorry for the rant just feel so passionate about this!!!

[Guest]

I did think about deleting my post as on re-reading it appeared a bit strong so I'm pleased others feel the same way and I'm not the only one who feels passionate about it

 

2 TA's in my school have been promoted to 'cover supervisors' one for key stage 1 and one for key stage 2, both are hard working, long serving and competant members of staff but both are unqualified.In theory if a reception class teacher is off I could be working under the direction of a TA next year.I'm not sure parents will realise the true situation if their childs class teacher is off.After 26 years it grates a bit that TA's now have prospects while I'm stuck dodging between nursery and reception.

 

I also have cut back on what I do at home and have found other interests to satisfy my own creative force.I've even dropped my hours to have a day off per week as the extra workload was making my health suffer.My husband has supported me stating 'we will adjust to the drop in income' but says I'm a 'different person' and its well worth it.

 

Keep going ....we do make a difference

[Guest]

Hi everyone,

I have read with interest all your comments especially from Nursery Nurses.

 

I am a Teaching Assistant in a foundation Unit. I have worked in Reception for 15 years, I have a very good academic background,(Gcses and A levels) and completed a Foundation Degree two years ago specialising in Early Years. This is a level 5 qualification. I also have HLTA status but have been told that school cannot afford to pay me in that capacity even though I work at that level. I am contracted for 25 hours per week, but infact work about 30+. The extra time is used to set up, tidy away, plan and do display work. I too am salaried but in actual fact due to Single Status I now earn less per hour that I did 10 years ago!!!! but am expected to do the same role as a teacher . Apparantly according to our LEA the sign of excellence within a setting is ' teachers and teaching Assistants should be indistinguishable!' but I too dont want to be a teacher- just proper recognition of the role I undertake as many of you do too.

 

You are right there is no career structure , precious little salary structure or incentives to professionally develop for NNs but this also aplies to TAS in my school too. However, I love my job and having previously spent 15 years in a high profile career working 12hour days and living and breathing work I actually dont really mind. I know that this is not the right way to look at this but as there seems to be no alternative at the moment I need to keep positive and motivated for the sake of the children. That is the only reason that Im there - because I know that we make a difference!! Im waiting for the day when TAs will also be recognised as professionals but I dont think so!!! Make sur that you all join a union and maybe one day there will be recognition for the hard work that we all do in schools. Im still waiting for my PM interview, so I think that those of you who have had interviews are really lucky and Im sure that they were useful.

[Guest Stalbans]

I can't add anything different, just want to agree with everything that has already been said, and wonder maybe one day there might be a turn around, we might get recognised as the ones who really sow the seed, for a want to learn and explore, into the next generation.

 

Also are there any unions that are recommended for Nursery Nurses working at Supervisory level attached to a school?

[Guest]

Hi all still waiting for p m interview, when things happen in school our interviews are always the first thing to get moved back.

Have been at the school 13 year and still waiting.

Ha well there is always next year.