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#1 Possum

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 10:42 AM

Hi I just wanted to make everyone aware about the EY2 forms that committee members need to submit along side their DBS to be part of the committee, My Preschool was OFSTED'ed just before Christmas and one of my trustees hadn't  completed her EY2 this put us in immediate inadequate!! We were absolutely devastated but it is seen as a safeguarding issue so understandable, Please make sure you chase up yours and they are all in place as its such a simple thing with massive effects. we are going to be done again in 6 months and all this will be sorted but I would hate for anyone else to have to go through this.


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Posted 06 January 2017 - 11:55 AM

There is now also the EY3 form to complete :/



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Posted 06 January 2017 - 03:00 PM

It was much better in the old 'paper form' days. You could make sure that everyone had completed them, in front of you, and post them all off together and you KNEW they were done. Relying on volunteers to do these things, on their own at home, with squalling children and husbands demanding their tea just is never going to work properly. As a Manager and now as a Chair it would be great if Ofsted kept me in the loop, so that if an EY2 was 'pinged back' to the individual, I would know, and could help them sort it. I don't like nagging volunteers to see if they've done it all ok, it's hard enough to get them in the first place, and as this is the first taste they have of what they've signed up for, it's no wonder!

Sorry, rant over. Hugs to you and the team. Xx
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 04:36 PM

Also as a manager, but not on the committee so only a 'named' person rather than the 'nominated' person, ofsted will not speak to me so I can't ring and check progress. We have no Internet at the setting so I can't even sit alongside volunteers to help them. It is a nightmare! Whilst I can understand the safeguarding issue, we would never allow committee members to be unsupervised with children anyway.
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Posted 06 January 2017 - 08:08 PM

I'm afraid Isp it's not a question of committee members not being left with the children, it's more that the committee as a whole is your Employer and oversee the running of the setting/ make decisions,  therefore they are supposed to know all about the legalities of how it is run, otherwise how can they make these decisions? For instance if a alligation was brought against the manager etc, do the committee know the proceedure to follow. In our case we were penalised because Ofsted said our chair- note a volunteer Mum of 3 working 3 days didn't have any safeguarding training and didn't really fully understand the EYFS curriculumn therfore when doing our settings development plan and appraisals how was she to know what courses to send the staff on to improve the outcomes and progress, for both staff and children. All forms filled in correct, but it was  just not good enough to say she has read our proceedures/policies on safeguarding and knows the number/professional bodies who to contact etc. But it does not say anywhere that the nominated person or committee have to do any such training. So not sure where this leaves committee run settings anymore. They seem to have lumped Preschools in with schools and colleges in the 'One fits all' Common Inspection Framework Doc and it just doesn't work. Especially like so many have said it's difficult enough to get people on a committee in the first place and to expect them to do all this work, is just so unfair.

 

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Posted 06 January 2017 - 09:16 PM

Hi I just wanted to make everyone aware about the EY2 forms that committee members need to submit along side their DBS to be part of the committee, My Preschool was OFSTED'ed just before Christmas and one of my trustees hadn't  completed her EY2 this put us in immediate inadequate!! We were absolutely devastated but it is seen as a safeguarding issue so understandable, Please make sure you chase up yours and they are all in place as its such a simple thing with massive effects. we are going to be done again in 6 months and all this will be sorted but I would hate for anyone else to have to go through this.

 

how inconsistent is this and only 6 months ago.....

 

It is not yet outstanding because: 

  The provider has not informed Ofsted of all committee members to enable them to assess their suitability. This is also a breach of the Childcare Register requirements. However, this has no impact on children. Committee members have completed the necessary Disclosure and Barring Service checks and do not have unsupervised contact with children.

Edited by Mouseketeer, 06 January 2017 - 09:16 PM.

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Posted 09 January 2017 - 04:08 PM

Totally inconsistent. Most unfair
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Posted 09 January 2017 - 09:30 PM

how inconsistent is this and only 6 months ago.....
 
It is not yet outstanding because: 
  The provider has not informed Ofsted of all committee members to enable them to assess their suitability. This is also a breach of the Childcare Register requirements. However, this has no impact on children. Committee members have completed the necessary Disclosure and Barring Service checks and do not have unsupervised contact with children.


This is absolutely ridiculous and should not be allowed. Ofsted need to sort their systems out for notifications. I have one parent left who has just completed DBS, DBS update and just sent EY2. I have the EY3 ready and filled out to post but now need to wait however long for Ofsted to send me the EY2 confirmation letter! Does this mean that if Ofsted come I will get the same treatment? It's hard enough to recruit volunteers, without the hoops we have to jump through alongside everything else we have to do! Something needs to be done to make the whole process easier. The dbs side of it is easy in comparison.
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Posted 11 January 2017 - 03:00 PM

I've made contact with Sean Harford and Gill Jones about this and am asking for clarification


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Posted 14 January 2017 - 06:31 PM

This seems most unfair as the whole process is so confusing. After three months we are almost their with our change of committee...and this will happen all over again every year!

As a new chair I was concerned about this matter so I contacted ofsted and a lovely lady guided me through what we needed to do. All our committee were directors/trustees but they weren't all on ofsted although they had completed ey2s! The discrepancy was the difference between directors and committee members (sill a minefield to me) but ofsted treat us as a registered company first charity second apparently.
Anyway, she updated what she could and said she would call me back in two weeks to check those that hadn't completed the EY2 yet (new members) Fortunately by this time the last two completed their ey2 so we were up to date.

I am going to make sure I log onto my online account regularly to make sure information is correct, I also do this with CH and CC.

I do think it is going to be very difficult for committee/parent run provisions to continue. I am a chair and parent yet do not understand fully the EYFS framework. I'm glad we have an excellent manager who has worked within this setting for 20 years....I just hope she doesn't decide to leave whilst I'm chair!
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