stmichaelsplaygroup Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 My 3rd committee chair in 2 years has resigned tonight citing that she didn't understand the extent of the role. I'm the manager but not on the committee. Is it possibke for me to be on the committee and nominated person and manager? I just want to try to end this cycle of people who dont really fully understand the role trying to do it for a few months and then giving up! I have such trouble getting through to Ofsted when I call, but I'm going to give it a go tomorrow. Any advice much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yes you can - if your constitution allows it. Are you a member of Pre-school Learning Alliance? Some of their versions of constitutions allow it and some don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 how are you set up ? are you a registered charity? are you running under PSLA constitution or other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Welcome to the Forum, and congratulations on your first post of (hopefully) many. Yes, there's no reason why you shouldn't be on the committee if you are working to the latest PSLA constitution. I always had to 'hand hold' the Chair and rather carry them along, or they would have run a mile from the post. It's a lot to expect an untrained volunteer to take on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmichaelsplaygroup Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 We are a registered charity. Our Constitution doesn't mention anything about this so I guess it's allowed as far as the Constitution is concerned! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stmichaelsplaygroup Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 Thanks Cait. I've found this form very useful for many years as a reader. I will try to contribute more! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 You need to make sure that you are running on the constitution that allows you as a trustee of the charity to be paid, otherwise you will not be allowed to be the nominated person with ofsted and the charity commission will have a problem with the set up. If concerned can I suggest you contact your accountant/financial advisor and they will check it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cait Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 I've always understood the paid bit to be about being paid for duties relating to the task. So not being paid for the time you are working on committee jobs. Oops, possibly ........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopeytg Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Just a word of warning - the scenario is better but whoever your new Chair is will still need to be really up on safeguarding etc - Ofsted will want to speak to them at an inspection - I am the manager and do all the committee tasks so our committee are just named roles and we nearly came unstuck as the Chair was not as knowledgeable as she should have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Just a word of warning - the scenario is better but whoever your new Chair is will still need to be really up on safeguarding etc - Ofsted will want to speak to them at an inspection - I am the manager and do all the committee tasks so our committee are just named roles and we nearly came unstuck as the Chair was not as knowledgeable as she should have been. Thanks! Our Chair people tend to change annually as it all gets a bit much for them, it's really tiresome! They are also probably not clued up enough on things like safeguarding as they are not the ones in the setting, so we will have to make sure that they have more of an understanding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 My 3rd committee chair in 2 years has resigned tonight citing that she didn't understand the extent of the role. I'm the manager but not on the committee. Is it possibke for me to be on the committee and nominated person and manager? I just want to try to end this cycle of people who dont really fully understand the role trying to do it for a few months and then giving up! I have such trouble getting through to Ofsted when I call, but I'm going to give it a go tomorrow. Any advice much appreciated! I feel your pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynned55 Posted April 26, 2016 Share Posted April 26, 2016 Sorry hopeytg- thats not strictly true. Our inspector didnt ask to meet our Chair, let alone quiz her on safeguarding etc. If no advance/half a days notice is given on inspection they cannot possibly expect people (as in committee members) to drop everything to meet them. Our Chair happened to be on holiday last Dec when Ofsted came calling. Our two previous Chairs to her were both in full time jobs who I only ever saw at committee meetings and mostly communicated with via email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Sorry hopeytg- thats not strictly true. Our inspector didnt ask to meet our Chair, let alone quiz her on safeguarding etc. If no advance/half a days notice is given on inspection they cannot possibly expect people (as in committee members) to drop everything to meet them. Our Chair happened to be on holiday last Dec when Ofsted came calling. Our two previous Chairs to her were both in full time jobs who I only ever saw at committee meetings and mostly communicated with via email. ofsted do expect to see the nominated person as of Septembers schedule. In the unlikely event of them not being available (eg on holiday) then perhops they would be ok (???) but they do expect nominated persons to come in ....hence why I am trying to stay the nominated person!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The problem we would have in that case Finleysmaid is my nominated person is a member of staff so although we may be able to spare one person for managers 'question time' and feedback, we definitely couldn't spare two from ratio. So, would nominated person trump manager???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 So, would nominated person trump manager???? That made me laugh lsp ::1a ::1a 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Although, it is a good question - I am Manager & Nominated person so therefore it would've been me & that is how it will be when the new Manager takes over as they will be told asked to be a general committee member. But who in the eyes of Ofsted is the most important?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynned55 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Well why would the nominated person not being available be an unlikely event Finleysmaid? As already stated ours is a full time worker, cant see them taking the day off at a moments notice. Many of our parents work, some take holidays during term time as well. Hopefully by the time our next inspection happens I will be long gone 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredbear Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 The only problem I can foresee on being a committee member and Manager, is that under many of the constitutions a member may only stay on a committee for a period of time. So what happens then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Hi, I am the manager of our setting and I was also the nominated person but Ofsted have told me that as of Jan this year managers of settings can no longer be the nominated person, and it has to be someone from committee?? Its been a real pain getting everything changed around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lsp Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Welcome Sand castles. You will probably see that we have spent many an hour on this forum discussing the way in which Ofsted has handled the whole nominated person, manager, committee member 'situation' and I'm sure it will continue to rumble on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thumperrabbit Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Hi, I am the manager of our setting and I was also the nominated person but Ofsted have told me that as of Jan this year managers of settings can no longer be the nominated person, and it has to be someone from committee?? Its been a real pain getting everything changed around. Welcome to the forum :1b Are you a general committee member? I am and there was no problem at all - so I am Manager, Nominated Person & General Committee Member. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Welcome to the forum :1b Are you a general committee member? I am and there was no problem at all - so I am Manager, Nominated Person & General Committee Member. but you've got the right version of the constitution in place !!!! I however am still having the MOST horrendous nightmare with ofsted about this!!!!!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
finleysmaid Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 The problem we would have in that case Finleysmaid is my nominated person is a member of staff so although we may be able to spare one person for managers 'question time' and feedback, we definitely couldn't spare two from ratio. So, would nominated person trump manager???? nominated person does not need to be in feedback...they only want to feed back to manager (I had to argue to be allowed someone else in!) but if an inspector asks two of you to be involved you can refuse. We had this problem a while ago when we had three on duty and two inspectors...which left 1 person with the children I complained and this was upheld! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSFRebecca Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Inspection handbook (p9 para 35, 36....) "initiate a professional relationship between the inspector and the provider or their representative", "Make arrangements with the nominated person, where appropriate, to give them the opportunity to be present at the feedback meeting" (p13, para 49) The inspector should meet with the provider or their representative" "request that the nominated person or their representative is invited" (p19, para 83) "The inspector must meet the provider of or, if the provider is not present, the manager" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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