We have just received today an email advising of the funding amount from April and are very dissapointed by how much it has gone up. We were told the new amount was going to take into account admin time, training, etc but it has gone up by 20p per session just under 2.5%. The new amount is £3.38 per hour, £8.45 for a 2 1/2 hour session so with the annual increase to our rent, general cost of supplies going up looks like no payrises again this year.

Out of interest what do you currently receive and what is your changing to from April?

Many thanks

Penny

i am in Gloucestershire and we currently get £3.25 per hour not had the increase yet. Where are you?

angela

lucky you ours went up from £3.51 to £3.58 a whole seven pence per hour - there reasonong was we werent flexible enough - not offering lunch ,etc but we are very busy and in order to offer all children what they need we do two sessions per day - we cannot offer anything else as we have an after school club coming into the room as we finish - very unfair i think

mind you we are still getting more per hour than you so i suppose we should count our blessings

Snap! Ours went up 2.1% - 7p an hour but from £3.48 to £3.55 an hour. Is yours the best funded NEG in the land, Blondie?

Maz

guess so - and we were near the bottom of the ratings -we could have had £4.09 per hour but unsure how we could have achieved that as they didnt make that very clear

Ours has gone from £3.36 to £3.43 an hour-7 pence like others. That's about 2% for us. But this is better than what they have suggested we get next year which is £2.23 a session!!!
Linda

A session!!!!

Ours is £3.48 per hour but not sure if thats before or after a rise. Thats about half our playleaders hourly rate. Does government really honestly care?

Haven't had our rate for April onwards yet but currently we get £2.85 an hour. And no it doesn't cover it does it?

Sorry-not a session!!! Had originally put in the session rate then changed it to hourly but forgot to change the rest of it! So it should be £2.23 an hour-which is still a lot less than we are getting now. Although they have done a bit of u turn on this and said it was only a suggestion! I'm not holding my breath.
Linda

Ours is currently £3.61 per hour but I don't know what it will go up to yet!!

Ours has gone up from £3.47 to £3.52/hr but that's only a 1.4% increase!!! Don't feel very valued at the moment!

Are you not all being paid below the minimum wage then? http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/nmw/ This doesn't sound right to me!!

the rate being quoted is the amount paid per hour for a child to attend.. not rates of pay for staff... LAs are thinking that as you can have 8 children per staff member that this is the way they can sort out how much to pay per child..

sounds like some are not taking into account things like low numbers, fluctuating numbers, rent, paperwork outside, resources etc to the degree they could.

not longer working but I know ours have a meeting end of march with all settings to discuss this and how it will be paid.. in our case because of the change to 15 hours so all changes ..

Inge

Sorry, Inge, I was having a brain melt moment there!

not surprised the amount you have taken on board the last couple of days...

hope it is beginning to fall into place a bit

Inge

We get £3.49 per hour and havn't had confirmation as to what it will increase by yet.

Glad I'm not the only one then, was beginning to think I'd binned a letter!

We are currently £3.46 an hour

So used to seeing ours quoted as a rate per term that it wasn't until I broke it down just now that I realised our new rate is £7.33 per session which equates to £2.93 per hour. Maybe you lot shouldn't complain!!!

Absolutely not! You sure you got your sums right? That's appalling!

I've just done it too - divided by 2.5 that's 2.93! AWFUL!!

Mmmm, but was £7.17 so at least its more this year, lol!

We found our funding would have gone down which is bad, however, I have just gained EYP hence our funding is going up, but i think this is wrong and level 3's and 4's etc should be valued as with EYP.

xxx

Our fonding have gone up by 6p a hour in April £3-38, From september 2009 we have got to provide 15hrs a week per child.
On our letter it said we would get the Single Funding formula in April 2010 but we are unsure what they mean.

Rosie.

The Single Funding Formula would have been decided before your LA introduced the 15 hour entitlement - its their chosen method of calculating the new hourly rate including any enhancements for flexibility, quality of provision and if your setting supports families in areas of deprivation. I'm surprised that you're having to offer the 15 hours on the old rate though - I would have thought that if you're offering the 15 hour entitlement it would be according to the Single Funding Formula. Otherwise why bother with the new formula at all?

Or is that just me being logical?

Maz

£3.34 per hour, haven't had funding forms for next term yet so don't know if the rate has gone up. mrsW

In our area the single funding issue means that we are all going to be funded in the same way. I'm guessing this is what you are referring to. We have had place led funding in maintained settings like LEA nurseries (they got funding for how ever many places they were registered for whether or not those places were taken up - bums on seats), as opposed to pupil led funding. DCSF have dictated from on high that we all have to be on pupil led funding. It seems a fairer way to do things but its going to be painful for those who have to swap.

Resurrecting an old thread - forgive me. We now know our new rate will be £2.97 an hour.

emmav I am interested to know how your setting is getting more funding having an EYP on staff? Or anyone else who knows. I assume this is separate from the GLF money your setting claims to support the EYP.

just got ours in gloucestershire 2% rise £3.25 per hr to £3.32 per hr

yes there has been talk about single funding formula
something to do with setting being means tested on what they need. So settings in a deprived area are yet again going to get more funding.

watch this space as there are going to be some unhappy people.

angela

Yes, holly35 - in our Borough we will be entitled to an 'uplift' in the nursery education grant if an EYP is working directly with the children. There will also be an uplift if we can offer full flexibility and also if we are in an area where children fall into the category of 'most disadvantaged' or whatever the correct terminology is.

Maz

Thanks Maz. Do you happen to know from which pot this money is coming? We just got told our new hourly rate and had info on which settings are being able to offer 15 hours this year but no one else talked about other money. When I ask I get the same reply about our LA being least deprived so we don't get more money, etc. It might be true but the LA don't half waste money on nonsense which could be better spent!

Well I don't know exactly - but this is all part of the single funding formula decisions that our Borough is making so I can only assume that it is coming out of the pot of central Government funding for the delivery of the 15 hour flexible entitlement. I think each Local Authority is able to decide their own priorities for funding and its own mechanism for deciding the level of funding it will offer settings. I also think that for the first time, LAs are able to 'charge' settings for providing training and support services etc.

Sorry - that's not very helpful, is it?

Maz

Aww thanks. I'm beginning to think someone made all this funding malarky especially complicated to keep us all in our place! I'll keep asking - it gets you nowhere if you don't.

Our rate goes up to £3.38 an hour in April. I went to a meeting this week about offering 15 hours from sept 09 and found that if we are prepared to be flexible then we will be given an extra 0.34p per child per hour. We are going to be very flexible

Mary

And is your LA offering extra for quality too, Mary?

Found out today that our new hourly rate is £3.71 per hour. Took forever to come through!! Thought they had forgotten us!!

Ok so what is going on with my LA that they are offering nothing for quality or flexibility? And our hourly rate seems to be one of the lowest.

Our hourly rate has gone up by 7p an hour, from 3.40 to 3.47p.
Haven't had an official letter yet, I only know as I rang and asked.

I'm in Bucks - we currently get £3.40 an hour but no word yet on any increase but whatever it is I guarantee it won't come close to being enough to cover all our outgoings and certainly not enough to pay my staff (or myself) what we deserve!

We get £8.65 from April an increase of 15p for the 2.5 hours or 6p per hour - mega bucks - will certainly pay for additional holiday entitlement which also increases in April !!!!!

Hi, I haven't been informed yet what the new rate will be. In Wigan we currently receive £3.08.

dont know what setting I have just left will be - have been told it is more than last year for them.. but it does include area of deprivation enhancement as well as flexibility entitlement, and EYP.. it is one of only 3 groups in the area to receive the highest amount possible.. so it is all very dependant on area and circumstances.

Inge

£3.76 - in Kent - yippee! - (that was a sarcastic yippee in case you hadn't guessed)!!!

Sunnyday

Replying to my own post here - oh dear!

Feeling v. guilty now as having re-read this thread - £3.76 looks to be one of the highest amounts.

Sunnyday

Worcestershire is £3.84 for 12.5 + hours, £3.36 for up to 12.5 hours. This is actaully a drop as we used to get £3.96! Sorry folks, it is still a struggle

Crikey - I have never thought about 'a drop'.

Sunnyday

No, nor had we. initially it was an enormous increase to £3.92 split by how many hours they did. Then for a term we were paid £3.36 while they decided what to pay - no-one knew what the rate would be, we didn't know if we could afford the staff we had in place! Early years kept sayying it wouldn't decrease and then we got the top up to £3.84 which was by then a relief as it was affordable to what we had spent. How are we supposed to offer high quality provision with so little money though?

We have just received our letter Introduction to changes.
At the moment we are
£3.40 per hour
£8.50 per 2.5 hours
£42.50 per 12.5 hours
£1,615 for 12.5 hours and for 38 weeks

Our hourly rates set for 2009-2010 are ( increased entitlement to 15hours )
£3.90 per hour

Funding for 2010-2011 are
£4.00 per hour
From 1st April we will have the money paid into our accounts monthly as opposed to two per term
Childminders will receive £5.32 per hour !
Jackie

OMG - WOW - fantastic!!

Why do childminders get more? They don't have the staff overheads that settings do